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- Posted: 02/24/2019 02:57
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| Fischman wrote: | It seemed avant garde because that's the most recognizable names on there... which influences how aggressively I want to pursue checking out the names I'm not familiar with. And things which may not be technically avant garde are still aggressively unusual or challenging in an avant garde sort of way.
It's also not that I'm anti avant garde. I have a good deal of it in my collection... |
Close to 80% of Keith's chart is on the experimental jazz-free improv spectrum (of course "experimental" is a very broad term). The most common form of outside jazz/free improv is abrasively loud, but there are also quite a few albums that aren't, especially the ones that don't have saxophone and/or drums.
Fischman, you've probably already heard some of Steve Lacy's work, but if not, he played both with Monk and free jazz artists, so he straddles traditional and outside jazz. His early albums are fairly mainstream, the 70s ones are often spiky, but his soprano sax playing's never too abrasive. I can recommend The Straight Horn Of Steve Lacy, and Regeneration (collaborative group with Lacy, playing all Monk and Herbie Nichols tunes), both fairly accessible. Clinkers is my favorite Lacy album so far, but the solo soprano album's sometimes spiky.
If you haven't heard Julius Hemphill's Dogon A.D. already, it's a key inside-outside jazz album of the 70s with a strong funk and blues influence (with pizzicato cello laying down the funk!).
One particularly accessible experimental jazz album on here is Albert Mangelsdorff's Tromboneliness. Mangelsdorff developed a technique of creating chords by playing and singing notes into the trombone at the same time (multiphonics). On the solo album Tromboneliness, Mangelsdorff typically states the melody of the tunes with chords and then solos. The solos are advanced but not free, at regular jazz trombone volume.
A Mangelsdorff album that might particularly appeal to you, Fischman, is Trilogue - Live! It's a one-off collaborative trio with M-dorff, Jaco Pastorius and Alphonse Mouzon.
Most of saxophonist/clarinetist Ned Rothenberg's albums aren't that raucous. He uses overtones and circular breathing to create solos that are original, but not shriek-y.
Solo bass albums can also be compelling with those with open ears. Acoustic bassists can create a vast range of sounds without being too loud or abrasive.
Fischman, avoid Polly Bradfield's Solo Violin Improvisations, one of the most trying free improv albums I've ever heard.
Keith's chart is, to my mind, the freshest overall chart on here (with the possible exception of Tha1ChiefRocka's current one), though I prefer a broad variety of jazz. My tastes fall halfway between Keith's and Fischman's!
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Fischman
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- Posted: 02/24/2019 04:20
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| PurpleHazel wrote: | | Fischman wrote: | It seemed avant garde because that's the most recognizable names on there... which influences how aggressively I want to pursue checking out the names I'm not familiar with. And things which may not be technically avant garde are still aggressively unusual or challenging in an avant garde sort of way.
It's also not that I'm anti avant garde. I have a good deal of it in my collection... |
Close to 80% of Keith's chart is on the experimental jazz-free improv spectrum (of course "experimental" is a very broad term). The most common form of outside jazz/free improv is abrasively loud, but there are also quite a few albums that aren't, especially the ones that don't have saxophone and/or drums.
Fischman, you've probably already heard some of Steve Lacy's work, but if not, he played both with Monk and free jazz artists, so he straddles traditional and outside jazz. His early albums are fairly mainstream, the 70s ones are often spiky, but his soprano sax playing's never too abrasive. I can recommend The Straight Horn Of Steve Lacy, and Regeneration (collaborative group with Lacy, playing all Monk and Herbie Nichols tunes), both fairly accessible. Clinkers is my favorite Lacy album so far, but the solo soprano album's sometimes spiky.
If you haven't heard Julius Hemphill's Dogon A.D. already, it's a key inside-outside jazz album of the 70s with a strong funk and blues influence (with a pizzicato cello laying down the funk!).
One particularly accessible experimental jazz album on here is Albert Mangelsdorff's Tromboneliness. Mangelsdorff developed a technique of creating chords by playing and singing notes into the trombone at the same time (multiphonics). On the solo album Tromboneliness, Mangelsdorff typically states the melody of the tunes with chords and then solos. The solos are advanced but not free, at regular jazz trombone volume.
A Mangelsdorff album that might particularly appeal to you, Fischman, is Trilogue - Live! It's a one-off collaborative trio with M-dorff, Jaco Pastorius and Alphonse Mouzon.
Most of saxophonist/clarinetist Ned Rothenberg's albums aren't that raucous. He uses overtones and circular breathing to create solos that are original, but not shriek-y.
Solo bass albums can also be compelling with those with open ears. Acoustic bassists can create a vast range of sounds without being too loud or abrasive.
Fischman, avoid Polly Bradfield's Solo Violin Improvisations, one of the most trying free improv albums I've ever heard.
Keith's chart is, to my mind, the freshest overall chart on here (with the possible exception of Tha1ChiefRocka's current one), though I prefer a broad variety of jazz. My tastes fall halfway between Keith's and Fischman's! |
Thanks for the very well thought out post.
I had not heard Dogone A.D. - what a great recommendation! I really enjoyed his flute work, especially when the flute and trumpet get to dancing around each other. The rhythm section was also stellar.
I look forward to looking into your other recommendations.
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- Posted: 02/25/2019 21:46
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