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Poll: Please listen to both albums in full before voting, then choose your favorite.
i,i by Bon Iver
45%
 45%  [10]
Occam Ocean 2 by Eliane Radigue
54%
 54%  [12]
Total Votes : 22

cestuneblague
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  • Posted: 07/17/2020 05:49
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Radigue's album was really, really good even with some noticeable lulls, and no problem voting for it over Skinny Love, who is just a total eye-roll these days.
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  • Posted: 07/19/2020 00:39
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I don't get it.

I know this isn't Bon Iver's best, but it boggles my mind that 52 minutes of nothing but droning instruments is beating an album with actual music. Just take the songs Hey Ma, Naeem, and Faith. Each of those on its own is leagues better than the entirety of Occam Ocean 2, in my opinion. And the rest of i,i isn't half-bad either.

I mean, I guess I can appreciate to a degree the mood-setting properties of dozens of musicians droning in and out in one big intertwining jumble, but at best it's a so-so experiment that gets stale well before the halfway point. I detect absolutely no substance in such an endeavor.

And somehow people seem to genuinely enjoy it. What am I missing? How can I get into this type of music? Is it even worth trying?
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Rhyner wrote:
How can I get into this type of music? Is it even worth trying?


I hope the review and video with explanation I posted earlier helped provide a little context. But, though context helps a lot of people appreciate some things, I think the most useful things are (1) increased exposure and (2) the will to listen to music deeply, at least sometimes. I hear a lot more diversity and dynamism in this Radigue performance than I do in my favorite Bon Iver tracks. But, it's also not a contest and they're each using different tools to arrive at different results. I think a lot of people have difficulty with this kind of music because they don't spend a lot of time with non-lyrical music and can't parse out the emotivity, or have difficulty with the track length simply because they're used to <10min tracks, not to mention sometimes they're not used to the tonality (though I think the movement in this track is comfortable); getting used to these when you grew up with popular music comes with time. And Occam Ocean 2 is a dense piece. But I think if it's approached with empathy and not as posed experimentalism, with attentiveness, then there's a lot worth your time.
baystateoftheart
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  • Posted: 07/20/2020 04:06
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Occam Ocean 2 defeats i,i 12-10 to advance to the sweet sixteen.
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