Oh that's a good point. I almost try and block some of their poppier stuff out of my mind somehow. Other times I eat it up.
It's funny though - sometimes I get in the mood where that mega poppy stuff like I want to hold your hand is just so endearing and simple sounding which lends to some level of purity sounding. Now the lyric goes "I want to fuck all your friends drunk"...
A reflection on the diminishing innocence of man. That's another excellent example that ties right into both of our statements. How many modern hits aren't about fucking these days? These kiddie 60's songs are now deemed to be "too innocent," and so it's put in the same "recycle bin" as other beliefs in the average adult memory. Not many people these days actually follow simple phrases like "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me," since offense is one of the biggest political issues these days. Adulthood has turned into an emotional feeling as opposed to its original status as a moral, and the disagreement of certain types of adulthood lead to a feeling of being challenged, so behavior in even the smallest things such as music gets turned into a maturity issue, with the exception to the adulthood rule likely being Disney songs. In some cases people feel obligated to like certain things and avoid underground works not only because of some cheap acceptance belief tying into the popularity of it all, but because adult content is the easy way into adulthood for anybody. NC-17 films. Methamphetamine. Your "laid" count. Screw morality when you can screw a human being, right? The biggest hit songs can easily reflect the common emotions and desires of modern man. And yes, this doesn't always tie-in with personalities, which is why so many black metal fans are not guilty of murder or pyromania in opposition to the staples of the early culture (watch Lords of Chaos). But those songs tie-in closer to people with severe issues against certain types of people, usually religious ones. For the common desires of romance, lust and sex, it's much easier to relate. And the more you allow certain messages on the radio, the more people believe in them. The hilarious thing is that this world has become exactly what our grandparents warned our parents about. We're all fucked figuratively and literally.
I think it's worth noting many songs from the 60s were about drugs and sex, granted they were usually a lot more subtle than this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4TFiqFEVxo
But anyway, to tie this back to the original topic, are you suggesting "hating" music doesn't stem from the music itself, but rather the specific content of the lyrics? I find that an intriguing idea. I agree with what Skinny said earlier (post #28 ) about hate being a mainly a youth thing. When we're young, we may hate some big-name artists, but that turns into indifference as we age. However I can see how grown-ups would hate certain music that flies directly in opposition with their moral code, music that encourages violence, drug use, and sex, etc. Your Mayhem/Lords of Chaos example fits into this idea.
Oh that's a good point. I almost try and block some of their poppier stuff out of my mind somehow. Other times I eat it up.
It's funny though - sometimes I get in the mood where that mega poppy stuff like I want to hold your hand is just so endearing and simple sounding which lends to some level of purity sounding. Now the lyric goes "I want to fuck all your friends drunk"...
A reflection on the diminishing innocence of man. That's another excellent example that ties right into both of our statements. How many modern hits aren't about fucking these days? These kiddie 60's songs are now deemed to be "too innocent," and so it's put in the same "recycle bin" as other beliefs in the average adult memory. Not many people these days actually follow simple phrases like "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me," since offense is one of the biggest political issues these days. Adulthood has turned into an emotional feeling as opposed to its original status as a moral, and the disagreement of certain types of adulthood lead to a feeling of being challenged, so behavior in even the smallest things such as music gets turned into a maturity issue, with the exception to the adulthood rule likely being Disney songs. In some cases people feel obligated to like certain things and avoid underground works not only because of some cheap acceptance belief tying into the popularity of it all, but because adult content is the easy way into adulthood for anybody. NC-17 films. Methamphetamine. Your "laid" count. Screw morality when you can screw a human being, right? The biggest hit songs can easily reflect the common emotions and desires of modern man. And yes, this doesn't always tie-in with personalities, which is why so many black metal fans are not guilty of murder or pyromania in opposition to the staples of the early culture (watch Lords of Chaos). But those songs tie-in closer to people with severe issues against certain types of people, usually religious ones. For the common desires of romance, lust and sex, it's much easier to relate. And the more you allow certain messages on the radio, the more people believe in them. The hilarious thing is that this world has become exactly what our grandparents warned our parents about. We're all fucked figuratively and literally.
I think it's worth noting many songs from the 60s were about drugs and sex, granted they were usually a lot more subtle than this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4TFiqFEVxo
But anyway, to tie this back to the original topic, are you suggesting "hating" music doesn't stem from the music itself, but rather the specific content of the lyrics? I find that an intriguing idea. I agree with what Skinny said earlier (post #28 ) about hate being a mainly a youth thing. When we're young, we may hate some big-name artists, but that turns into indifference as we age. However I can see how grown-ups would hate certain music that flies directly in opposition with their moral code, music that encourages violence, drug use, and sex, etc. Your Mayhem/Lords of Chaos example fits into this idea.
It could stem from anything, even though group mentality could post more common reasons among said group. Skinny mentioned his disdain for MC Hammer being a stain on true hip hop and likely justified the common belief with his analysis. It's a common belief among many haters that artists sell out themselves or the scene for popularity, which describes a very common hate for many edge-rock acts of the millenial age such as Nickelback, Creed and Korn. But again, this is one reason. _________________ Do it yourself and let me play my music: https://www.besteveralbums.com/thechart.php?c=61802
It could stem from anything, even though group mentality could post more common reasons among said group. Skinny mentioned his disdain for MC Hammer being a stain on true hip hop and likely justified the common belief with his analysis. It's a common belief among many haters that artists sell out themselves or the scene for popularity, which describes a very common hate for many edge-rock acts of the millenial age such as Nickelback, Creed and Korn. But again, this is one reason.
I'd say there's a fundamental difference between the hate Nickelback would receive and the hate Mayhem (or black metal in general) would receive, which has been suggested in this thread. Nickelback seemed like a group of posers who saw the grunge/post-grunge movement as a way to make money. And sure enough, they did. However this seems like the kind of hate that would wear off over time in the manner Skinny described in post #28. I think as we get older, we come to realize some people have made themselves rich by doing worse things than Nickelback. And at the end of the day, Nickelback never harmed anybody (that I know of). On the other hand, Mayhem and the black metal movement actually did cause harm. Black metal musicians and their followers burned down churches. That one drummer murdered a homosexual. I can certainly see how that would cause everlasting hate from adult Christians and homosexuals. _________________ on such a winter's day
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