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noWaxJim wrote:

Sorry to be contrary, but I'm finding it hard to understand how bands like Yuck and The Horrors are classed as shoegaze. Let's ignore what Wikipedia tells us - ostensibly these bands ARE NOT shoegaze/nugaze... they may have a couple of fuzzy pop songs which sound like they were purposely produced in the bottom of a bucket, but the aesthetic is completely wrong. For starters, there's not a hint of feyness and fragility in site (the best SG bands always had at least one female member, Ride apart - but look what happened to them).

PS - Smashing Pumpkins' "Gish" - Grunge or Shoegaze... now there's a dilemma...

1. I'm not really sure you've listened to Yuck at all... they're pretty damn fragile. They also have a girl. Not sure why that part is important...

2. I think "Gish" is neither grunge nor shoegaze.
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Jackwc wrote:

noWaxJim wrote:

Sorry to be contrary, but I'm finding it hard to understand how bands like Yuck and The Horrors are classed as shoegaze. Let's ignore what Wikipedia tells us - ostensibly these bands ARE NOT shoegaze/nugaze... they may have a couple of fuzzy pop songs which sound like they were purposely produced in the bottom of a bucket, but the aesthetic is completely wrong. For starters, there's not a hint of feyness and fragility in site (the best SG bands always had at least one female member, Ride apart - but look what happened to them).

PS - Smashing Pumpkins' "Gish" - Grunge or Shoegaze... now there's a dilemma...

1. I'm not really sure you've listened to Yuck at all... they're pretty damn fragile. They also have a girl. Not sure why that part is important...

2. I think "Gish" is neither grunge nor shoegaze.

Re. your 'you haven't listened to Yuck' accusation, sorry to disappoint. I accept that they may have a modicum of fragility, but I still maintain that they are not a shoegaze band. Sunday, for example, sounds like a very poor Teenage Fanclub track. Shook Down is in a similar vain. Get Away is Pavement-lite (you should check out Los Campesinos if you like that sort of thing). Suicide Policeman is acoustic-pop... And even more ironically Suck sounds like it could have been lifted wholesale off Gish (the hook is a blatant rip-off of Rhinocerous). And as you say that Gish is not shoegaze, ergo neither are Yuck. Also how could the cover art of the LP be from a shoegaze band? Where are the water references? The pastel shades? The fractuals? THE BLUR!!!

Just because a band has access to delay, echo and chorus pedals it doesn't make them shoegaze. If we are talking effects, I would say the key one would be a pitchshifter and a tremolo arm. A girl member isn't the be-all-and-end-all - I'm not really sure you've read my comment properly at all... I said 'the best SG bands' did - MBV, Slowdive, Lush (before they went Britpop). I could have also said that for a band to considered truly shoegaze they have to come from Oxford or Reading. But that would have meant people would have started saying 'are Radiohead shoegaze' and that would have caused all sorts of trouble.

There is no blueprint for the 'perfect' shoegaze band, but given history I would suggest for spotty indie boys in the early 90s to fall in love with a band, a female member was close to mandatory. The same is true of indie pop, but that's for another thread.
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noWaxJim wrote:

Jackwc wrote:

noWaxJim wrote:

Sorry to be contrary, but I'm finding it hard to understand how bands like Yuck and The Horrors are classed as shoegaze. Let's ignore what Wikipedia tells us - ostensibly these bands ARE NOT shoegaze/nugaze... they may have a couple of fuzzy pop songs which sound like they were purposely produced in the bottom of a bucket, but the aesthetic is completely wrong. For starters, there's not a hint of feyness and fragility in site (the best SG bands always had at least one female member, Ride apart - but look what happened to them).

PS - Smashing Pumpkins' "Gish" - Grunge or Shoegaze... now there's a dilemma...

1. I'm not really sure you've listened to Yuck at all... they're pretty damn fragile. They also have a girl. Not sure why that part is important...

2. I think "Gish" is neither grunge nor shoegaze.

Re. your 'you haven't listened to Yuck' accusation, sorry to disappoint. I accept that they may have a modicum of fragility, but I still maintain that they are not a shoegaze band. Sunday, for example, sounds like a very poor Teenage Fanclub track. Shook Down is in a similar vain. Get Away is Pavement-lite (you should check out Los Campesinos if you like that sort of thing). Suicide Policeman is acoustic-pop... And even more ironically Suck sounds like it could have been lifted wholesale off Gish (the hook is a blatant rip-off of Rhinocerous). And as you say that Gish is not shoegaze, ergo neither are Yuck. Also how could the cover art of the LP be from a shoegaze band? Where are the water references? The pastel shades? The fractuals? THE BLUR!!!

Just because a band has access to delay, echo and chorus pedals it doesn't make them shoegaze. If we are talking effects, I would say the key one would be a pitchshifter and a tremolo arm. A girl member isn't the be-all-and-end-all - I'm not really sure you've read my comment properly at all... I said 'the best SG bands' did - MBV, Slowdive, Lush (before they went Britpop). I could have also said that for a band to considered truly shoegaze they have to come from Oxford or Reading. But that would have meant people would have started saying 'are Radiohead shoegaze' and that would have caused all sorts of trouble.

There is no blueprint for the 'perfect' shoegaze band, but given history I would suggest for spotty indie boys in the early 90s to fall in love with a band, a female member was close to mandatory. The same is true of indie pop, but that's for another thread.

I dunno man, I feel we're delving more into superficialities here. I think shoegaze (though it does have a very distinct image) is first-and-foremost in the sound. These nushoegaze bands may not share all the same aesthetics of the old-school shoegaze bands, but that doesn't make them not shoegaze. ...well, okay, it makes them "nushoegaze", but you get what I'm saying.

Ok, back to Gish - if anything I'd say it's more Grunge, but it's really more-or-less garage punk.
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Gish is very dreamy and atmosphere based, besides that I find it to be just as enthralling as any other Pumpkins album.

If you want the perfect blend of Grunge and 'Gaze, check out Swervedriver, more specifically their album, Mezcal Head

I think LSD And The Search For God are pretty much the closest we have to a band that picked up where MBV left off.

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