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MadhattanJack
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  • Posted: 09/18/2025 07:46
  • Post subject: New "News and Opinion" subforum?
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I've been seeing a few more "Death of the Album" pieces on news websites and blogs lately. On NPR.com today, a new one popped up entitled "Why don't artists let their albums breathe?"

I thought it might be a story about recording artists who try to choke and strangle their own albums (usually with duct tape or old rubber bands), because I've been hearing some rather alarming rumors about this too, but no, it's just another "Death of the Album" opinion piece based on recent trends in the music biz which are, in turn, mostly driven by streaming. In this case, the piece's author notices that some artists are releasing "multi-part" albums that aren't really mutli-part at all, they're just a way to get more streams by piggybacking on the success of the artist's previous album, as if you have to listen to "Part II" of that album now to get the "full experience." (Also, artists are taking advantage of the way the streaming services pay out by overloading their albums with lots of tracks, in the hopes that the listener will fall asleep during the album and just let the whole thing keep playing.)

It doesn't seem like any of the existing subforums are really appropriate for threads announcing and/or discussing these kinds of opinion pieces โ€”ย it's like of a "meta" thing so it didn't seem right to throw it into the "Music" subforum with everything else, and it's on-topic so it didn't seem to belong in the "lounge" either. And maybe nobody wants to discuss "meta" topics at all, that's always a possibility. Anyway, I thought I'd run it up the ol' flagpole here, and see if anybody salutes. ๐Ÿค”
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  • Posted: 09/18/2025 12:24
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For me, this is actually what the music forum should have. Discussions about what is happening in the world of albums. That's CONTENT, baby! I say music forum. All the way!
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MadhattanJack
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  • Posted: 09/18/2025 20:26
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Romanelli wrote:
For me, this is actually what the music forum should have. Discussions about what is happening in the world of albums. That's CONTENT, baby! I say music forum. All the way!


I guess I have to respectfully disagree โ€”ย if there's a piece in the media about, for example, how CDs or cassettes are making a comeback, or explaining how the economics of streaming are affecting the whole concept of albums, that's not really about "music" per se, it's more about business and culture in general. Also, the sheer amount of thread-churn in the Music forum here (what with all the "Chart of the Day," "Album of the "Day" etc. threads) tends to bury stuff like that before some members even get a chance to see it.

Maybe another option would be to put the "____ of the Day" threads into a separate subforum, which could be called "Featured albums and charts" or something like that? Might have the same effect.
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  • Posted: 09/19/2025 04:48
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I agree with Romanelli this totally belongs in the Music Section. In fact, we used to actually have threads in the music section about these types of topics, a long time ago, pre-pandemic. But like MadhattanJack said, in today's BEA climate, this would go unnoticed in the music section and buried before anyone saw it. I admittedly wouldn't have seen it because I rarely bother clicking on the Music Section anymore. And yes, it's entirely because of AOTD, COTD, and "what are you ___ing right now?" threads that choke out what could be interesting topics. I've already been outvoted that all "what are you ___ing" threads should be erased and banned. But here's another controversial take. Get rid of AOTD and COTD too, and move whatever "what are you ___ing" threads AM decides to salvage to their own designated section. Start the music section over from scratch, to allow space for a topic like this. Let the music section be about music, not a perpetual barrage of IG stories.
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  • Posted: 09/19/2025 08:16
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At the moment, the forums are already spread over quite a few (inactive) areas. The forum structure worked better when the site was busier, but right now, conversation is being spread very thinly. I agree that the Music forum itself has mostly become crowded by AOTD and COTD posts (impossible to deny it), but not sure why that should stop other people posting (the fact the Music forum is crowded by those posts simply means nobody else is posting anything there). I'd love for the Music forum to contain exactly the type of content MJ is proposing, it's a failure of the site that people don't feel comfortable posting Music related content in what should be the main forum. Perhaps the forum description is too restrictive(?), but that's simple enough to change.

The Music Diaries are probably the most active area of the forums right now (without going into specific stats), but I think it has cannibalised content (to a certain extent) that might otherwise have been posted (or repurposed) into the Music forum (there's quite a broad range of content being posted in the diaries, and a lot of it is extremely high quality).

The ___ right now? threads have largely been eliminated, but this has definitely resulted in less overall forum activity (forums still readjusting from the impact). There's previously been open discussion here about moving AoTD posts into their own area, but if the site is very quiet, they are sometimes the only thing going on in the Music forum (which is the main reason they exist in the first place). Perhaps the site could experiment by moving these posts somewhere else, to see if anything else takes up the vacuum (but again that will just spread the forums out even more, when I personally feel things need to be more compact to make things appear more active), but happy to try it out if that would help things.
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  • Posted: 09/20/2025 15:43
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albummaster wrote:
I agree that the Music forum itself has mostly become crowded by AOTD and COTD posts (impossible to deny it), but not sure why that should stop other people posting (the fact the Music forum is crowded by those posts simply means nobody else is posting anything there). I'd love for the Music forum to contain exactly the type of content MJ is proposing, it's a failure of the site that people don't feel comfortable posting Music related content in what should be the main forum.
Um, yeah. I hadn't thought of that. It is a failure, indeed. Kind of scary, pathetic on the site's part, that a BEA user doesn't feel comfortable posting and wanting to discuss something related to music, specifically music in album format. But I understand why. The Music Forum is just garbage. 99% of it is AOTD and COTD threads that nobody ever drops a thoughtful line on, and "what are you ___ing now" threads which are BEA's landfill. It's no wonder MJ didn't feel comfortable posting this interesting article there. Nobody would have commented on it, because that isn't what people visit the Music Section for, and that's a bad thing. Who else remembers the good ole days of RockyRaccoon's PoD thread series? That's what the Music Section ought to be in my opinion. Again, I'm all for discontinuing and erasing AOTD, COTD, "what are you __ing now" threads. Ok, that would make the Music Section a lot smaller, but at least only good quality content would remain, and it would give a more inviting appearance for something like MJ's article.
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  • Posted: 09/20/2025 15:50
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MadhattanJack wrote:
I guess I have to respectfully disagree โ€”ย if there's a piece in the media about, for example, how CDs or cassettes are making a comeback, or explaining how the economics of streaming are affecting the whole concept of albums, that's not really about "music" per se,


Sorry Jack, I'm also with Romanelli on this oneโ€”

The example you brought up is ideal for the music forum. Just gotta make the post ๐Ÿ˜œ

There's a thread called 'musical random chat' or something like that which was a great thread for just talking about whatever was happening with the day, but it gets buried quite a bit.

Make new threads. Don't be afraid toโ€”

By all means, call it 'Music News'โ€”

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  • Posted: 09/20/2025 16:14
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CA Dreamin wrote:
The Music Forum is just garbage. 99% of it is AOTD and COTD threads that nobody ever drops a thoughtful line on, and "what are you ___ing now" threads which are BEA's landfill. It's no wonder MJ didn't feel comfortable posting this interesting article there. Nobody would have commented on it, because that isn't what people visit the Music Section for, and that's a bad thing. Who else remembers the good ole days of RockyRaccoon's PoD thread series? That's what the Music Section ought to be in my opinion. Again, I'm all for discontinuing and erasing AOTD, COTD, "what are you __ing now" threads. Ok, that would make the Music Section a lot smaller, but at least only good quality content would remain, and it would give a more inviting appearance for something like MJ's article.

Thanks again for the honest feedback. Of course, I also remember previous times when the forums were more active. Quite a few of the same people are still posting in the Music Diaries section. I'd very be glad to try and change things to encourage more discussion and if the primary reason for lack of discussion is those daily automated posts, than I'll gladly move them to a different forum (but the reason they started in the first place was mainly to help seed discussion when nothing else was going on). All AOTD/COTD posts could be moved to the Announcements forum (as an idea), which would then mean an extra subforum wouldn't be needed and the Music forum would be left uncluttered (replies could still be enabled on the AOTD/COTD posts in the Announcements forum, if people wanted to engage with them).
MadhattanJack
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  • Posted: 09/20/2025 22:01
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albummaster wrote:
All AOTD/COTD posts could be moved to the Announcements forum (as an idea), which would then mean an extra subforum wouldn't be needed and the Music forum would be left uncluttered (replies could still be enabled on the AOTD/COTD posts in the Announcements forum, if people wanted to engage with them).


That sounds good to me, though I suspect you'll want to pin the actual site-status announcements to prevent them from getting overwhelmed too...? ๐Ÿค”

Also, I just wanted to say that it wasn't a matter of my "feeling uncomfortable" or being afraid to start new threads there in general, it just seemed (to me) that what I'm calling "meta" subjects are too different from what's found in the Music forum now to be, er, "compatible" with it. I can always be wrong. But I should add that if you look around on other forum sites, many of them do have separate subforums for news articles and meta topics... not that BEA should necessarily be more like everybody else, I'm just saying it's not unusual, like Tom Jones.
albummaster
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  • Posted: 09/21/2025 09:35
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MadhattanJack wrote:
That sounds good to me, though I suspect you'll want to pin the actual site-status announcements to prevent them from getting overwhelmed too...? ๐Ÿค”

Thanks, definitely. Probably end up making everything a normal post there and just stickying the most recent announcement(s) (since whole forum consists of 'announcements').

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Also, I just wanted to say that it wasn't a matter of my "feeling uncomfortable" or being afraid to start new threads there in general, it just seemed (to me) that what I'm calling "meta" subjects are too different from what's found in the Music forum now to be, er, "compatible" with it. I can always be wrong. But I should add that if you look around on other forum sites, many of them do have separate subforums for news articles and meta topics... not that BEA should necessarily be more like everybody else, I'm just saying it's not unusual, like Tom Jones.

Thanks for idea. If the site was busier and each forum was being flooded, definitely I think you could justify doing it, but there's not enough activity here right now and I don't think there's anything wrong with making that type of post in the existing Music forum. I definitely wouldn't want to lose this type of conversation as I personally find it very interesting and it touches the core of the site. I've reworded the scope of existing Music forum to include broader topics (which can be edited again, if needed).
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