These songs are pretty much never talked about here. I tend to associate them for some reason, maybe the fact that their respective artists have, from what I've listened to, never done anything remotely as good as them. Well please correct me if I'm wrong, because it's always frustrated me not to really love anything else by the Gang or the Grandmaster. Also, the time period obviously, as well as the overall style, though I'm not sure about that.
Anyway, what do you think about them? They're supposed to be some of the most influential tracks ever, and I think they also happen to be some of the best. As for my preference, I'd say The Message, though it's really close and a relisten could actually change that.
Post subject: Re: Rapper's Delight and The Message
drakonium wrote:
These songs are pretty much never talked about here. I tend to associate them for some reason, maybe the fact that their respective artists have, from what I've listened to, never done anything remotely as good as them. Well please correct me if I'm wrong, because it's always frustrated me not to really love anything else by the Gang or the Grandmaster. Also, the time period obviously, as well as the overall style, though I'm not sure about that.
The only other release by Sugarhill that I'm really familiar with is 8th Wonder which is ok but no Rapper's Delight. On the other hand, Grandmaster (Flash/Melle Mel) had several great tracks - The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel, Message II (Survival), White Lines (Don't Don't Do It) and I've a soft spot for Step Off.
drakonium wrote:
Anyway, what do you think about them? They're supposed to be some of the most influential tracks ever, and I think they also happen to be some of the best. As for my preference, I'd say The Message, though it's really close and a relisten could actually change that.
Both are significant releases but, for me, this is like comparing Baby Love with A Change Is Gonna Come. There's a definite winner here and I don't think I need to point out which and why.
I prefer 'White Lines' to 'The Message'. Don't forget to check Kurtis Blow too, as well as Mantronix and Bambaataa (more electro, but they get lumped in together). Hip-hop soon evolved though, what with the rise of Run-DMC, LL, the Beasties, eventually Rakim, BDP, Too $hort, the Juice Crew. My favourite early hip-hop song is 'La Di Da Di' by Slick Rick and Doug E. Fresh. Check that ish.
Thanks for the recs, I had never heard of Blow and Mantronix, gonna check them out soon then. I've listened to Bambaataa's debut a few times, and I think it's OK, though I may need a paladisiacal make-or-break spin to have a pseudo-definitive opinion of it. Also, I had added Rick's album to my wish list a few time ago because of one of your charts or comment, nezzle, so it's pretty cool that you remind me his existence, I had forgotten him xD
Ah, perfect, underrated tracks by Flash and Mel, that's exactly what I wanted, thanks! I'll post about hem tomorrow, as I'm going to bed now and I'm not really in the mood for them.
Also, sorry Shane, but Apache is one of the very few songs I can safely say I actively dislike
Unfortunately, early hip-hop albums are a patchy affair, although I have to admit I've not listened to Kurtis Blow's eponymous album from 1980 or The Treacherous Three's Whip it from 83 (from what I understand there are only a few who have heard this).
The first significant release that pre-dates Run-D.M.C.'s first would be the Wild Style soundtrack. Other than that I'd probably check out label compilations from Sugar Hill, Tommy Boy and Cold Chillin' Records.
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