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martintho

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But he scores a lot of goals in sports. If in the annual list of the 100 most amazing and beautiful goals in the world you implemented a rule of only one goal each player it wouldn't be the fruitking 100 most amazing and beautiful goals in the world said year on that list, would it? Messi - being the outstanding and superior by far to every other player on this planet - would probably be entitled to at least 3 out of 100 if you follow my make believe logic. This month "in the aeroplane over the sea" was replaced on spot 14 on BEA's top 10000 albums list by the eponomous white covered Beatles 1968 double LP. A very fitting picture for my topic. 6 out of seven days I would no doubt've considered the White Album to be the rightful owner of this spot whilst on the seventh day if forced I'd prefer to listen to the Neutral milk Hotel product but my point is as you long ago guessed that I more than suspect that the White Album would be holding a much higher position on this site if it weren't for the seemingly common trend of having this one-album-artist-on-my-list practice (often followed with a mention of one or two artist they'd otherwise have numeous albums of on it). Am I the only one concerned about this?

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martintho wrote:

But he scores a lot of goals in sports. If in the annual list of the 100 most amazing and beautiful goals in the world you implemented a rule of only one goal each player it wouldn't be the fruitking 100 most amazing and beautiful goals in the world said year on that list, would it? Messi - being the outstanding and superior by far to every other player on this planet - would probably be entitled to at least 3 out of 100 if you follow my make believe logic. This month "in the aeroplane over the sea" was replaced on spot 14 on BEA's top 10000 albums list by the eponomous white covered Beatles 1968 double LP. A very fitting picture for my topic. 6 out of seven days I would no doubt've considered the White Album to be the rightful owner of this spot whilst on the seventh day if forced I'd prefer to listen to the Neutral milk Hotel product but my point is as you long ago guessed that I more than suspect that the White Album would be holding a much higher position on this site if it weren't for the seemingly common trend of having this one-album-artist-on-my-list practice (often followed with a mention of one or two artist they'd otherwise have numeous albums of on it). Am I the only one concerned about this?

This analogy is shit, frankly. A list of the greatest football goals of all-time would focus on a large breadth of styles of goals, because no one type of goal is inherently superior to another, and would therefore be hugely varied, as it should be. The shortlist alone would contain thousands of players, and we'd be splitting hairs when it came down to deciding if and why some goals are better than others; much how many users put together album charts, actually.

Also, let people make the charts the want. It's not worth getting upset over.
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Well there's literally hundreds of thousands of artists out there and at least a thousand of those could have multiple releases make my top 100. Out of all those the white album is not one of them. Very good album though, despite the fact that it reduced musique concrete to a point and laugh spectacle.

Don't really think that metaphor is apt. Sure, if we're ranking top 100 goals multiple player contributions should be included. But to my mind, that's mainly because of the sheer hoarding of international talent in some league. There's like what, maybe 8-12 leagues tops of generational defining talent worth considering + international events. Whereas a great record can come from everywhere. Unless you're a studio production fetishist in which case, eh to each their own. But the sky is not falling.

Eh Skinny's right. I'm off base on this one

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Skinny wrote:

This analogy is shit, frankly. A list of the greatest football goals of all-time would focus on a large breadth of styles of goals, because no one type of goal is inherently superior to another, and would therefore be hugely varied, as it should be. The shortlist alone would contain thousands of players, and we'd be splitting hairs when it came down to deciding if and why some goals are better than others; much how many users put together album charts, actually.

Also, let people make the charts the want. It's not worth getting upset over.

Agreed with this sentiment. One major reason I don't like the analogy is because I HAVE seen sports list from ESPN, etc. (maybe not in soccer/football but definitely in basketball/American football) which rank top goals/plays/baskets/touchdowns/etc. that DO limit to one play per person, or one play per game/match.

Also, BEA's overall ranking weights published lists from publications/professional critics. I think the user charts with the "one album per artist" rule affect the overall chart a lot less than you think. Not to mention, while you think it might be better not to have the "one album per artist rule", the overall chart does heavily lean towards certain popular artists (like the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Radiohead, etc.). I would argue that when some users make their charts with the "one album per artist" rule, it helps diversify the overall chart which actually makes it MORE accurate.

And I think Skinny's last sentence is essential: just let people make the charts they want. If BEA didn't do that, then we'd basically just be metacritic (which is fine, no shade on metacritic, but I definitely prefer BEA).
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We all know the greatest goal ever scored was when John O'Shea lobbed Almunia in injury time at Highbury, why was he so far forward that late?

But yeah, I have 100 albums on my chart but that could be any 100 of 1000 plus is any particular order, somedays I'll wanna listen to the Beatles lots, others I'll be obsessed with some other, like right now I'm non stop listening to Sons of Kemet and King Gizzard, are they better than the Beatles right now? Yeah probably, I dunno, who cares, music's good and John O'Shea was the greatest footballer of all time.

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Patman360 wrote:

We all know the greatest goal ever scored was when John O'Shea lobbed Almunia in injury time at Highbury, why was he so far forward that late?

yes yes yes yes, love this (for those interested: https://youtu.be/KmJ10lUG9SI?t=448)

Patman360 wrote:

John O'Shea was the greatest footballer of all time.

yeah idk about that one lol, solid defender though. He's coaching now right? I hope he does well.
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EyeKanFly wrote:

Patman360 wrote:

We all know the greatest goal ever scored was when John O'Shea lobbed Almunia in injury time at Highbury, why was he so far forward that late?

yes yes yes yes, love this (for those interested: https://youtu.be/KmJ10lUG9SI?t=448)

Patman360 wrote:

John O'Shea was the greatest footballer of all time.

yeah idk about that one lol, solid defender though. He's coaching now right? I hope he does well.

Man was the whole package! Yeah coaching with Reading I believe.
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Not sure about this Messi dude (or O'Shea?) but pretty sure Jerry Rice is the all time leader
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Not sure about this Messi dude (or O'Shea?) but pretty sure Jerry Rice is the all time leader

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