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- #181
- Posted: 12/09/2013 22:07
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Listmeister wrote: | When you get to 1969, for completeness' sake I recommend including some Bubblegum. The Archies, the Cowsills, the Monkees, Spanky and Our Gang, Tommy James and the Shondelles, Bobby Sherman, that sort of thing. It wasn't the most innovative or influential of genres, but it was a part of the musical conversation going on in that wonderful year. |
This is a good point. In fact, this could just as easily apply to any other of the years. What I've been doing so far is, in addition to listening to the albums listed here, I've also been listening to the Billboard #1 songs, just to get a sense for what's popular. The problem with whole albums of bubblegum is that I tend not to enjoy sitting through them (the Monkees are an exception), even though I don't mind it so much on a song-by-song basis. Do you have any other recs for resources on representative "pop" songs for each year? Maybe pop compilations?
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- #182
- Posted: 12/09/2013 22:09
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Cymro2011 wrote: | Why don't you just edit everything into the original post?
Edit: Actually on second though, your way is better. It would be a clusterfuck if it was all together. |
Yeah, I started by trying to include them all in the original post, but eventually came to the same conclusion as you. I don't know if there are any limits on post length, but it would certainly be a pain to read through.
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- #183
- Posted: 12/14/2013 04:03
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Okay, so I've instituted some changes in the list for 1969, this time doing a much more detailed genre breakdown. While genres are of minimal use to many music listeners, they are central in understanding the historical development of music (IMO) and I think they're fair game for discussion in this thread. Many of these albums can be classified in a variety of ways, but I've attempted to classify them according to the most appropriate genre label. This may be wildly inaccurate in some instances, since I haven't yet heard most of the albums listed here and am mostly going based on online resources. As such, feel free to jump in with suggested changes. I may also go back to the list and shuffle things around if I change my mind about the genre after listening.
Some questions we could discuss:
- I think the Poe said that he didn't like the "Experimental" and "Avant-Garde" classifications. I see why he would say that, but how should we classify artists like Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart? Should we just leave them unclassified because they can't be clearly tied to existing musical trends? Or maybe they can be?
- Are parent genres, like "Rock" or "Jazz," an entity in of themselves or just a label we give music that doesn't clearly fall into one of the recognized subgenres? In other words, were the Beatles just a "rock" band because they sounded a certain way or because they didn't consistently sound a certain way?
- Is the distinction between folk and folk rock an important one at this point in history? I think it was important in the early '60s when traditionalists were railing against artists like Bob Dylan for using an electric guitar. Are those criticisms still relevant in the late '60s and beyond?
Anyway, here's the list:
Rock
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Abbey Road (The Beatles) - Ringo does a drum solo
Tommy (The Who) - Grammy Hall of Fame , Rolling Stone top 500 albums , soundtrack to rock musical
Arthur (Kinks) - acclaimed concept album about a cancelled TV play
Joy of a Toy (Kevin Ayers) - post-Soft Machine solo debut from Ayers, masterpiece of eccentric laidback pop
Blues Rock
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Led Zeppelin - debut of all-time great blues rock/hard rock, Rolling Stone top 500 albums
Let It Bleed (Rolling Stones) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , Grammy Hall of Fame , others
Led Zeppelin II - acclaimed, Rolling Stone top 500 albums , hard rock
Blind Faith - debut of supergroup featuring Clapton, Winwood, Ginger Baker, and Ric Grech
Roots Rock/Americana
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The Band - Grammy Hall of Fame
Green River (Credence Clearwater Revival) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , roots rock/pop
Willy and the Poor Boys (Credence Clearwater Revival) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , roots rock/pop
Prog Rock
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In the Court of the Crimson King (King Crimson) - acclaimed prog rock classic, rock minus blues
Garage Rock/Proto-punk
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The Stooges - landmark protopunk, debut of rhof artist, Rolling Stone top 500 albums
Kick Out the Jams (MC5) - acclaimed protopunk, debut, Rolling Stone top 500 albums
Psychedelic Rock
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Live/Dead (Grateful Dead) - first live album from famed live rock band
Happy Trails (Quicksilver Messenger Service) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , live performance of rock suite
Volunteers (Jefferson Airplane) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , controversial for anti-war messages and profanity
Folk Rock
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The Velvet Underground - radical change in direction, acclaimed folk rock
Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere (Neil Young w/Crazy Horse) - acclaimed folk rock, Rolling Stone top 500 albums
Crosby, Stills, and Nash - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , debut, helped popularize folk rock
Liege and Lief (Fairport Convention) - first major British folk rock album
Unhalfbricking (Fairport Convention) - acclaimed transitional British folk album
Space Oddity (David Bowie) - first "proper" Bowie album
Folk Jazz
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Happy Sad (Tim Buckley) - beginning of experimental period, folk jazz
Folk
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Oar (Skip Spence) - acclaimed solo album from leader of Moby Grape after time in mental hospital
Five Leaves Left (Nick Drake) - debut of folk legend
Songs from a Room (Leonard Cohen) - acclaimed, Cohen's second
6- And 12-String Guitar (Leo Kottke) - unique and influential instrumental guitar record
Basket of Light (Pentangle) - a really significant folk record
Chicano Rock
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Santana - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , chicano rock debut, improvisational, featured at Woodstock
Prog Rock
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Ummagumma (Pink Floyd) - double album, part live
Krautrock
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Monster Movie (Can) - krautrock debut
Country Rock
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The Gilded Palace of Sin (The Flying Burrito Bros) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , country rock classic
Christian Rock
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Upon This Rock (Larry Norman) - pioneering Christian rock
Soul
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Boz Scaggs - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , mix of rock and blue-eyed soul
Hot Buttered Soul (Isaac Hayes) - landmark soul, innovative production techniques, heavily sampled
Dusty in Memphis (Dusty Springfield) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , Dusty attempts career revival with switch to soul
Diana Ross Presents the Jackson 5 - debut of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame act
Philadelphia Soul
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Sound of Sexy Soul (Delfonics) - one of the great soul records of the era
Other R&B
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Make It Easy On Yourself (Burt Bacharach) - quite possibly the best work by one of the most important songwriters of the era
Funk
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Stand! (Sly and the Family Stone) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , one of most sampled albums in history
Jazz/Rock
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Uncle Meat (Frank Zappa) - acclaimed experimental mix of jazz, blues, rock
Free Jazz
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Prayer for Peace (Amalgam) - Penguin core collection , British jazz, led by saxophonist Trevor Watts
The Black Ark (Noah Howard) - Penguin core collection , free jazz saxophone
Space Jazz
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Atlantis (Sun Ra) - space-jazz landmark
Avant-Garde Jazz
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Karma (Pharaoh Sanders) - acclaimed avant-garde jazz, spiritual themes
Liberation Music Orchestra (Charlie Haden) - avant-garde jazz landmark
Jazz Fusion
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In a Silent Way (Miles Davis) - Penguin core collection , Davis' first fusion recording, beginning of electric period
Extrapolation (John McLaughlin) - Penguin core collection , jazz guitar/fusion
Hot Rats (Frank Zappa) - acclaimed jazz fusion/prog rock, change from earlier Zappa
Emergency! (Tony Williams Lifetime) - one of first notable jazz fusion albums
Chicago Transit Authority (Chicago) - debut of noted rock/pop act, started more experimental
Songs of Experience (David Axelrod) - orchestral avant-pop
Vocal Jazz
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Close as Pages in a Book (Maxine Sullivan) - Penguin core collection , vocal jazz, swing music
Traditional Bebop
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Magnificent! (Barry Harris) - Penguin core collection , jazz piano, traditionak bop
Country
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Nashville Skyline - Dylan does country
At San Quentin (Johnny Cash) - acclaimed live album
Townes van Zandt - representative recordings country singer-songwriter
From Elvis in Memphis - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , Elvis does country tinged with blue-eyed soul
Avant-Garde
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Trout Mask Replica (Captain Beefheart) - acclaimed, Rolling Stone top 500 albums , avant-garde
Baroque Pop
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Scott 4 (Scott Walker) - acclaimed baroque pop
Electronic
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Contact (Silver Apples) - every bit as original as their debut, and adds a lot of new elements to their sound and the advancement in psychedelic and electronic music
Other?
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Moondog (Moondog) - Unique New York musician, first release since 1957
Comme à la radio (Brigitte Fontaine & Art Ensemble of Chicago ) - seminal avant-pop/jazz/chanson project, first Fointaine masterpiece
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Norman Bates
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- #184
- Posted: 12/14/2013 07:43
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That's a hell of a comprehensive playlist you've got there.
I'd add: Moondog by Moondog (unclassifiable, at least by me), Comme à la radio by Brigitte Fontaine & Art Ensemble of Chicago (seminal avant-pop/jazz/chanson project, first Fointaine masterpiece), Atlantis by Sun Ra (space-jazz or something), Liberation Music Orchestra by Charlie Haden (avant-garde jazz), Songs of Experience by David Axelrod (orchestral avant-pop), Joy of a Toy by Kevin Ayers (post-Soft Machine solo debut from Ayers, masterpiece of eccentric laidback pop)
I've got more favourites from that year (most notably from female singers/songwriters: Karen Dalton, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Bridget St. John), but they probably defined the era less than those records I advertise + your awesome list.
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meccalecca
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- #185
- Posted: 12/14/2013 15:23
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sp4cetiger wrote: | - I think the Poe said that he didn't like the "Experimental" and "Avant-Garde" classifications. I see why he would say that, but how should we classify artists like Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart? Should we just leave them unclassified because they can't be clearly tied to existing musical trends? Or maybe they can be? |
Depending on the albums, I would generally classify Beefheart and Zappa as rock, or experimental rock.I understand the Poe's reasoning against using the terms Experimental and Avant Garde to a degree, but they're useful as well.
I'll second Norman's rec of Moondog's record. You could classify under jazz maybe, but it's unlike pretty much any jazz.
Contact by Silver Apples is every bit as original as their debut, and adds a lot of new elements to their sound and the advancement in psychedelic and electronic music
6- And 12-String Guitar by Leo Kottke is a totally unique and influential instrumental guitar record.
Make It Easy On Yourself by Burt Bacharach is quite possibly the best work by one of the most important songwriters of the era.
Sound of Sexy Soul by Delfonics is one of the great soul records of the era
Basket of Light by Pentangle is a really significant folk record
I'd also take a listen to Manhattan Research Inc by Raymond Scott. It was released much much later, but the recordings are from the 50s to 60s, and some of the most important experiments in electronic music. This is the same man whose orchestral music was used in Looney Tunes. and much there are also multiple odd vocal appearances by a very young unknown named Jim Henson.
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- #186
- Posted: 12/28/2013 04:26
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Some standouts from my listening for 1968.
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Beggars Banquet by The Rolling Stones
This is kind of an obvious one, but this album marks the beginning of a celebrated phase in the Stones' career when they cast off the stink of psychedelia and began to play to their strengths. Great album.
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Odessey And Oracle by The Zombies
One of my favorite discoveries from the project, this absolutely gorgeous bit of then-obscure psychedelia marks the beginning of the end for a fruitful experimental phase in the rock world.
The Marble Index by Nico
Absolutely unique in its time and beautifully atmospheric. I can see why it was a major influence on post-punk.
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Sweetheart Of The Rodeo by The Byrds
One of my favorite country albums so far. Although that is not a strong statement, I was still fascinated to learn about the interplay between the Byrds and the country music establishment of the time. Booed at the Opry and openly mocked on radio shows, this was an abysmal failure as a commercial venture. One wonders if the album form would have been given more attention by the country music mainstream if the Byrds had somehow managed to connect with Nashville. Probably not...
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Silver Apples by Silver Apples
Brilliant in retrospect, this album sounds like a product of a much later age. I prefer the more atmospheric second half of the album.
Anthem Of The Sun by Grateful Dead
The curious should pretty much skip over their debut, cause this album is the first to really capture the flavor of the group. Very little evidence of their blues origins remains.
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Dance To The Music by Sly And The Family Stone
Greatly overshadowed by its follow-up, this underrated pre-funk debut is nonetheless rich with both style and substance.
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- #187
- Posted: 01/02/2014 04:53
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I made an interesting addition to 1969, Upon This Rock. It's a pioneering Christian rock album by Larry Norman. Probably won't be a favorite, but it was an important part of music history.
Movin' on up to the '70s. Here's 1970:
Rock
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Let It Be (Beatles) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , last Beatles album released, produced by Phil Spector from large pile of crap
John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , first post-Beatles, major punk influence w/ primal scream (minus the protopunk sound)
McCartney - Paul McCartney’s first solo album
Cold Fact (Rodriguez) - international hit without artist's knowledge, documentary was made based on the story
Vintage Violence (John Cale) - solo debut of key Velvet Underground member
Soft Rock
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Elton John - Grammy Hall of Fame , soft rock, breakthrough album in US
Sweet Baby James (James Taylor) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , breakout album
Country Rock
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Tumbleweed Connection (Elton John) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , country/western concept album, Americana
Workingman’s Dead (Grateful Dead) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , folk/country explorations
Protopunk
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Back in the USA (MC5) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , protopunk, raw projection of MC5 sound
Funhouse (Stooges) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , landmark in development of punk
Krautrock
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Yeti (Amon Düül II) - cornerstone of krautrock
Hard Rock
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Live at Leeds (The Who) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , only live album with best-known lineup, some consider best live rock recording of all time
Led Zeppelin III - Pitchfork top 100 albums of the '70s, hard rock with folk themes
Deep Purple in Rock - acclaimed classic rock, first entirely of originals
Psychedelic Rock
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Band of Gypsys (Jimi Hendrix) - Pitchfork top 100 albums of the '70s, live funk explorations
Progressive Rock
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Lizard (King Crimson) - landmark prog,w/hints of jazz and 60s pop
Folk Rock
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All Things Must Pass (George Harrison) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , Harrison compositions backlogged from Beatle years, demonstrates development as artist outside of the Beatles
Loaded (Velvet Underground) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , final w/Loud Reed, more commercial
American Beauty (Grateful Dead) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , folk/country explorations
Déjà vu (Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , first quartet
Tea for Tillerman (Cat Stevens) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , breakout album
Bridge Over Troubled Water (Simon and Garfunkel) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , final S&G album
Bryter Layter (Nick Drake) - p4k100, accompanied by Fairport Convention
Ladies of the Canyon (Joni Mitchell) - noted pre-Blue album, some of most well-known songs
Stephen Stills - star-studded, post-CSNY solo debut, features both Clapton and Hendrix
Roots Rock
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Cosmo’s Factory (Credence Clearwater Revival) - Pitchfork top 100 albums of the '70s, attempt to return to ‘50s rock and roll roots
After the Gold Rush (Neil Young) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , acclaimed country/folk/Americana
Country Rock
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Burrito Deluxe (Flying Burrito Bros) - pioneering country rock
Blues Rock
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Get Yer Ya-ya's Out (Rolling Stones) - acclaimed live Rolling Stones
Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs (Derek and the Dominos) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , only studio album, Clapton’s best album
Heavy Metal
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Black Sabbath - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , first major metal album
Paranoid (Black Sabbath) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , among best heavy metal albums of all time
Latin Rock
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Abraxas (Santana) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , acclaimed latin rock
Jazz-Rock
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Starsailor (Tim Buckley) - Pitchfork top 100 albums of the '70s, abstract expressionist, jazz-laced folk
Afro-Rock
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Afreaka! (Demon Fuzz) - pioneering afro-rock
Canterbury Scene
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Third (Soft Machine) - landmark prog rock/jazz fusion in Canterbury scene
Psychedelic Folk
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The Madcap Laughs (Syd Barrett) - acclaimed debut of former Pink Floyd lead
Pass the Distance (Simon Finn) - pioneering psych folk, very rare LP
Folk
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Just Another Diamond Day (Vashti Bunyan) - acclaimed singer/songwriter one-off, later restarted career in 2005
Exuma - widely acclaimed folk
Exuma II - widely acclaimed folk
Progressive Folk
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Bill Fay - influential progressive folk
Roots/Americana
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12 Songs (Randy Newman) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , Americana song compilation, partially satirical
Soul
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Moondance (Van Morrison) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , acclaimed pop breakout
Funk/Psychedelic Soul
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Look-Ka Py Py (The Meters) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , funk landmark
Sex Machine (James Brown) - acclaimed double album, part live
Curtis (Curtis Mayfield) - acclaimed debut of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame artist
Free Your Mind and Your Ass Will Follow (Funkadelic) - influential experiment to see if entire album could be created will tripping on acid
Psychedelic Shack (The Temptations) - change in direction, complete abandonment of Motown sound
Jazz Fusion
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Bitches Brew (Miles Davis) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , jazz fusion, further experiments with electric instruments
Jazz
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Jan Allan - Penguin core collection
New Orleans Suite (Duke Ellington) - Penguin core collection
Solo Jazz
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For Alto (Anthony Braxton) - Penguin core collection , extended sax solos
Big Band
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Consummation (Thad Jones) - Penguin core collection
Avant-Garde Jazz
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Les Stances a Sophie (Chicago Jazz ensemble) - landmark avant-garde jazz
Jazz Poetry
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Small Talk at 125th and Lenox (Gil Scot) - Heron - debut of influential jazz poet, precursor to rap
Jamaican Toasting
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Version Galore () - Roy - debut of influential Jamaican “deejay”, pioneer of toasting
Pop
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Sunflower (Beach Boys) - influential and acclaimed album, whole band contributed songs
Close to You (The Carpenters) - Rolling Stone top 500 albums , easy listening pop
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- #188
- Posted: 01/02/2014 07:21
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I see that you're moving through each year, but not quite providing a satisfactory analysis of what you've heard thus far. I hope you're keeping notes
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- Posted: 01/02/2014 13:09
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Kool Keith Sweat wrote: | I see that you're moving through each year, but not quite providing a satisfactory analysis of what you've heard thus far. I hope you're keeping notes |
No notes, but feel free to contribute some analysis of your own. I'm just writing and listening to whatever I feel like, cause you know, hobby and all. If I turn it into work, I'll probably lose interest.
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meccalecca
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- #190
- Posted: 01/02/2014 13:18
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I have quite a few suggestions. I think all of these records are pretty essential.:
Exuma by Exuma: indescribable island folk masterpeice
Exuma II by Exuma: nearly as brilliant
Lizard by King Crimson: My personal favorite Crimson album. a landmark prog recording with hints of the BeeGees 60s pop thrown into the title track
In The Wake of Poseidon by King Crimson: more vintage prog
Cold Fact by Rodriguez: Forgotten Detroit folk record that resulted in Oscar nominated documentary
Desertshore by Nico: Arguably her best
Vintage Violence by John Cale: Solo debut of key member of Velvet Underground member
Atom Heart Mother by Pink Floyd: underrated gem from their discography, overshadowed by Meddle
Mad Shadows by Mott The Hoople: The only Mott The Hoople record that I love. some of the best rock vocal performances I've heard
Lola Versus Powerman... by the Kinks: One of their last great records. a bit uneven but some perfect tracks
Lorca by Tim Buckley: Buckley's transition to a much darker, tense place
The Man Who Sold The World by David Bowie: Bowie's attempt to make a big rock album like Zeppelin
Barrett by Syd Barrett: nearly as great as Madcap
Parachute by Pretty Things: cohesive psych rock
His Band & Street Choir by Van Morrison: more peak Van Morrison
Shooting at the Moon by Kevin Ayers: eccentric songwriter, and former founding member of Soft Machine
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