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CA Dreamin
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- #21
- Posted: 10/03/2016 23:15
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| Allabaster wrote: | | Hayden wrote: | | Aight, for the sake of this poll and for the sake of wanting to watch some good movie recommendations, let's keep the genre definition to a minimum |
I find the discussion of the genre very interesting and would be disappointed to see people stop talking about it. |
Agreed. The discussion is interesting, so why not keep it going? (as long as it stays mature) I also find interesting that the definition of the genre varies person to person. But let's not go too far and forget that the rule states if it isn't labeled horror on imdb or letterboxd, it doesn't count. So when it comes to Jurassic Park, Se7en, and Silence of the Lambs, there should be nothing to talk about. They're not horror. They may have scary sequences but they're not horror films.
Instead we can talk about those 'halfway horror films,' the ones that aren't pure horror but have enough elements to earn the label. Jaws, The Fly, The Thing, Psycho, Alien, etc. These films are considered thriller-horror or sci-fi-horror. But I can see why purists would not label these films with the H word.
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- #22
- Posted: 10/03/2016 23:22
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| StreetSpirit wrote: | | Jaws, The Fly, The Thing, Psycho, Alien, etc. |
Haven't seen Alien or Jaws, but I'm assuming these will show up on a few lists. Especially Psycho.
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- #23
- Posted: 10/04/2016 00:13
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| Hayden wrote: | Yeah, I'm all up for that of course  You're post had a lot of interesting stances that I agreed with, without a doubt. It's just tat I want this to go as smoothly as possible  |
don't worry, just Allabaster and I having some friendly discussion. Though if you don't want this thread to double as a "what is horror" discussion thread I'd get that
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- Posted: 10/04/2016 01:06
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| dividesbyzero wrote: | | don't worry, just Allabaster and I having some friendly discussion. Though if you don't want this thread to double as a "what is horror" discussion thread I'd get that |
I'm all good for this thread to double as any horror/thriller/scary movies discussion thread, the more the better 
I just don't want the list making to get confusing 
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- #25
- Posted: 10/04/2016 01:19
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| Hayden wrote: |
I just don't want the list making to get confusing |
It is up to you, but I would keep things simple and just take whatever people choose to include. I believe there is an extent to which genre is in the eye of the beholder.
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badseed
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- #26
- Posted: 10/04/2016 06:24
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There's gotta be some kind of guideline. Otherwise the rebels will PM Hayden some all porno lists and the whole thing gets sabotaged. Gary the retard could join BEA tomorrow and start listing Disney movies because we go for some left wing "eye of the beholder" bullshit. Down the line we'll be doing an action movies list and Casablanca is eligible because there's a chase scene where a guy got shot. And for musicals, why not The Master. There's a joyous song and dance sequence in there as well as a heartwrenching one. It's like an "every kid gets a trophy" thing where people who don't have enough knowledge and/or respect of the genre get to play along on equal grounds. Just go watch some freaking horror films.
As for Silence of the Lambs, aside from Hannibal Lecter's escape (which is one of the most gripping scenes ever but keep in mind Lecter wasn't the main antagonist and he never once in the film harmed any characters you give a shit about) there's a tame abduction scene, a couple guns get drawn, the bad guy dances naked and Jodi gets cum thrown in her face - not horror - even less so than Seven because at least something life-changingly horrifying happens to the main character at the end of that far gorier *detective murder mystery*. I think a lot of pop culture has us remembering SOTL as the only horror film to win the big one at the Oscars. That's because your magazines and TV shows don't really know shit about horror. Then I think about the fact that more frightening *suspense thrillers* like No Country for Old Men won best picture too... I could go on all day about this one. Salo, Pink Floyd: The Wall, Taxi Driver, The Seventh Seal and The Wizard of Oz all have more true horror elements than SOTL as well.
They put labels on shit so some people don't get confused and use motor oil as toothpaste or charcoal as toilet paper. Just stick to the IMDb label and you'll be just fine.
I thought I would have my list pumped out by now but it seems I need to rank them by decade or subgenre first to get a better grip of what goes where. Also I've been kinda switched back to the other side. I've probably listened to 20 new(ish) albums in the last week and the my interest in movies is at a relatively low point for me. With the Oscar bait season coming up that ought to change soon though.
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- #27
- Posted: 10/04/2016 07:36
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BEA hasn't be nearly active enough lately to attract saboteurs. I'm with Allabaster and just say let people put on whatever and if something is controversial regarding whether or not it is actually horror then it probably won't get that many votes anyway.
Also my horror list actually is going to contain a porno so there
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CA Dreamin
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- Posted: 10/04/2016 07:59
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I agree with badseed. If imdb and letterboxd say it isn't horror, then it isn't horror. I've already said it but I'll say it again: SotL, 7, and JP...not labeled as horror on imdb and letterboxd. They're ineligible. End of discussion. When I get to making my list, I'll double-check to make sure I don't include anything ineligible.
badseed, you seem like a big horror fan. What is your view on films that are part-horror, part-something else? Films such as Zombieland, Alien, Tremors, eXistenZ, etc...all good films that have the horror label, though they're not as pure as say Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Re-Animator. Would you include these films on your list alongside each other? Or would the purer horror films come first? Or do non-pure horror films not even deserve the label and not make your list at all?
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- #29
- Posted: 10/04/2016 12:51
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| badseed wrote: |
As for Silence of the Lambs, aside from Hannibal Lecter's escape (which is one of the most gripping scenes ever but keep in mind Lecter wasn't the main antagonist and he never once in the film harmed any characters you give a shit about) there's a tame abduction scene, a couple guns get drawn, the bad guy dances naked and Jodi gets cum thrown in her face - not horror - even less so than Seven because at least something life-changingly horrifying happens to the main character at the end of that far gorier *detective murder mystery*. I think a lot of pop culture has us remembering SOTL as the only horror film to win the big one at the Oscars.
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If horror were defined by how many shocking and gory things there are, then nothing made before the late '60s would qualify as a horror film. I would say that it is the opposite side that has likely been confused by pop culture. When mainstream horror films began incorporating elements of exploitation cinema (notably Romero's work), people began to equate shock value with horror films, but I think that incorrectly pigeon-holes the genre in a way that misunderstands its history.
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cestuneblague
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- #30
- Posted: 10/04/2016 13:43
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Should be a fun list, donno if Ill be able to contribute cuz to be honest I don't have much of a grasp of the genre beyond the basics and I don't really have time this month to catch up on any films, but Ill see how everything pans out. Although I will agree to those who reccomend doing away with the rule only including films websites have officially tagged as horror, that's too constricting/regimented and it's far more interesting to get people's unadulterated viewpoint of what makes a horror film rather than having them trying to fit their choices into a strict guidline. But however it's done, should be fun nonetheless.
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