Dumb Things You've Said About Music - Music

GARY

Jhereko wrote:

GARY wrote:

It would be interesting to see how a rap instrumental would fair against a YES, RUSH, or Iron Maiden instrumental.

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um subjectively - just like music with vocals, would be my guess.

O.K. Jhereko, then you are saying that the actual music (not vocals) in rap is better than that of say RUSH.

So the rap instruments (sounds, blips, burps, etc.) are better than the RUSH instruments (drums,bass,guitar,keys)

Please tell me that you are joking or just defending rap to the point of fantasy or just admit that you are none other than

Kangaroo Boy Very Happy

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GARY

40footwolf wrote:

They wouldn't "fare" at all-that's as nonsensical asking how a bicycle would fare against a pelican. They're so wildly different that comparing them and asking "which is better" is borderline absurd.

O, here we go again with the "not fair to compare" rhetoric on a site called Best Ever Albums

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GARY wrote:

Jhereko wrote:

GARY wrote:

It would be interesting to see how a rap instrumental would fair against a YES, RUSH, or Iron Maiden instrumental.

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um subjectively - just like music with vocals, would be my guess.

O.K. Jhereko, then you are saying that the actual music (not vocals) in rap is better than that of say RUSH.

So the rap instruments (sounds, blips, burps, etc.) are better than the RUSH instruments (drums,bass,guitar,keys)

I never said anything of the sort

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It's not that it's "not fair", it's that it's a stupid comparison. Let's see if we can phrase this another way and try to make you understand:

"I wonder how a Rush instrumental would fare against a piece by Wagner."

They're not comparable-they're different instruments, different styles of music, different everything. If we're going to make a strictly technical comparison, Wagner completely annihilates Rush in every aspect, but again, it's a bad comparison because Rush and Wagner don't have the same goals as musicians and aren't trying to make the same types of music, aren't trying to convey the same things with their music, etc.
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Hayden

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40footwolf wrote:

It's not that it's "not fair", it's that it's a stupid comparison. Let's see if we can phrase this another way and try to make you understand:

"I wonder how a Rush instrumental would fare against a piece by Wagner."

They're not comparable-they're different instruments, different styles of music, different everything. If we're going to make a strictly technical comparison, Wagner completely annihilates Rush in every aspect, but again, it's a bad comparison because Rush and Wagner don't have the same goals as musicians and aren't trying to make the same types of music, aren't trying to convey the same things with their music, etc.

Besides, hip-hop isn't meant to be listened to without lyrics , and for the most part, neither is prog. So I don't understand the logic in this argument Rolling Eyes

If you're comparing the talent of the instruments, compared to a sampler or drum-machine, it really is two different talents. Sure, some hip-hop artists/ groups use real drums, but the drummer often isn't credited anyways. One thing I will say (against me) is that ,could Bonham, Bruford, Ulrich or Paice make a weak hip-hop instrumental? Sure. But could say, Eminem, Kanye, or Nas make a weak prog-rock instrumental? Probably not, and if they did, it probably wouldn't be very good.

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Hayden wrote:

40footwolf wrote:

It's not that it's "not fair", it's that it's a stupid comparison. Let's see if we can phrase this another way and try to make you understand:

"I wonder how a Rush instrumental would fare against a piece by Wagner."

They're not comparable-they're different instruments, different styles of music, different everything. If we're going to make a strictly technical comparison, Wagner completely annihilates Rush in every aspect, but again, it's a bad comparison because Rush and Wagner don't have the same goals as musicians and aren't trying to make the same types of music, aren't trying to convey the same things with their music, etc.

Besides, hip-hop isn't meant to be listened to without lyrics , and for the most part, neither is prog. So I don't understand the logic in this argument Rolling Eyes

If you're comparing the talent of the instruments, compared to a sampler or drum-machine, it really is two different talents. Sure, some hip-hop artists/ groups use real drums, but the drummer often isn't credited anyways. One thing I will say (against me) is that ,could Bonham, Bruford, Ulrich or Paice make a weak hip-hop instrumental? Sure. But could say, Eminem, Kanye, or Nas make a weak prog-rock instrumental? Probably not, and if they did, it probably wouldn't be very good.

ok im sorry hayden that makes very little sense

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Hayden wrote:

40footwolf wrote:

It's not that it's "not fair", it's that it's a stupid comparison. Let's see if we can phrase this another way and try to make you understand:

"I wonder how a Rush instrumental would fare against a piece by Wagner."

They're not comparable-they're different instruments, different styles of music, different everything. If we're going to make a strictly technical comparison, Wagner completely annihilates Rush in every aspect, but again, it's a bad comparison because Rush and Wagner don't have the same goals as musicians and aren't trying to make the same types of music, aren't trying to convey the same things with their music, etc.

Besides, hip-hop isn't meant to be listened to without lyrics , and for the most part, neither is prog. So I don't understand the logic in this argument Rolling Eyes

If you're comparing the talent of the instruments, compared to a sampler or drum-machine, it really is two different talents. Sure, some hip-hop artists/ groups use real drums, but the drummer often isn't credited anyways. One thing I will say (against me) is that ,could Bonham, Bruford, Ulrich or Paice make a weak hip-hop instrumental? Sure. But could say, Eminem, Kanye, or Nas make a weak prog-rock instrumental? Probably not, and if they did, it probably wouldn't be very good.

It's an interesting question since both would require programming of some sort, and in that case they could probably both fill each other's roles-someone like Dr. Dre could certainly compose a crummy prog number as well as Bruford could crap out a bad hip-hop backing track, but again, they're disciplines that are entirely irrelevant towards one another for the most part.
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Hayden wrote:

One thing I will say (against me) is that ,could Bonham, Bruford, Ulrich or Paice make a weak hip-hop instrumental? Sure. But could say, Eminem, Kanye, or Nas make a weak prog-rock instrumental? Probably not, and if they did, it probably wouldn't be very good.

I don't think that is a good argument against hip-hop. Musical greatness should not be judged on how difficult it is to make. If it sounds good, then it's good.

GARY

O.K. thank's for helping me understand more about rap and hip hop Very Happy

I haven't listened to much of it to REALLY talk about it. I do like Eminem and also a fair amount of the old school rap which, IMO, had very good lyrics.
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GARY wrote:

I do like Eminem

Oh Jesus

somebody give this man the entire discography from A Tribe Called Quest.
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