Ok this will be a bit of a long one, but I need to say this.
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After finishing up this album, I could say ehhh.
Maybe some point in the future this album might become a personal favorite of mine. But as of now, I fine this album decent at best and average or maybe even below average at worst. For one, I find a majority of these songs to feel archaic in design. Where the samples are used for a simple snip it and repeated till the end of the song. Or at the worst possible example you have Stroke of Death which I actually skipped since it was obnoxious.
Went back to it, but was correct on my assertion.
Then I could bring up how unlike other artists during 2000 like Outkast, Common, Deltron 3030 and Jurassic 5 the vibe of the album feels somewhat standard. Feels like there was no pizazz. Just going for the bare minimum. Also unlike Stankonia or Deltron 3030 the skits on Supreme Clientele were just not enjoyable. Unless they weren't skits since some of these songs are around two minutes. You got Woodrow The Base Head where by the tale end, I wanted the Windowlicker approach of just dropping it. Also you had Clyde Smith, which was a petty jab at 50 Cent. Now listen, I might not like 50 Cent since I haven't heard the album from 03 but at a point of time he was a big artist.
Like there is some more stuff that I could type about where on Child's Play where Ghostface mentions his dick as a ding a ling. Like really, you were a grown man back in 2000, why do this. But it would be a lengthy discussion.
Grade:60 and that's being generous because if I hear it again, I could see it being in the 50's or 40's.
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So what I'm taking from this is you don't like albums that are just great rapping over instrumentals without beat switches, and an album has to have some innovation or twist on hip-hop to be enjoyable to you? Yeah the skits aren't good, but they don't take up much of the album at all. And for context, 50 Cent dissed Ghost first in an equally petty way. _________________ Join us in the canon game :) / Add me on RYM
So what I'm taking from this is you don't like albums that are just great rapping over instrumentals without beat switches, and an album has to have some innovation or twist on hip-hop to be enjoyable to you? Yeah the skits aren't good, but they don't take up much of the album at all. And for context, 50 Cent dissed Ghost first in an equally petty way.
I wouldn't say beat switches, though that could help it. I'm more arguing about how songs in this album get stagnant. Because music in general is repetitive. But with this, I feel like there could have been more hooks or intricate details that would get me more invested. Once I hear the same riff over, it just loses the luster for me personally.
Now there was a song on this album that meet this certain credential halfway. That being track 18. That was one of the few where I would argue that there was more to it sound wise, but never went all the way.
Also, yeah I would agree there wasn't many skits on the album.
P.S What did 50 Cent do that was equally petty?
baystateoftheartNeil Young as a butternut squashProfile Massachusetts
So what I'm taking from this is you don't like albums that are just great rapping over instrumentals without beat switches, and an album has to have some innovation or twist on hip-hop to be enjoyable to you? Yeah the skits aren't good, but they don't take up much of the album at all. And for context, 50 Cent dissed Ghost first in an equally petty way.
I wouldn't say beat switches, though that could help it. I'm more arguing about how songs in this album get stagnant. Because music in general is repetitive. But with this, I feel like there could have been more hooks or intricate details that would get me more invested. Once I hear the same riff over, it just loses the luster for me personally.
Now there was a song on this album that meet this certain credential halfway. That being track 18. That was one of the few where I would argue that there was more to it sound wise, but never went all the way.
Also, yeah I would agree there wasn't many skits on the album.
P.S What did 50 Cent do that was equally petty?
I would argue his lyricism, wordplay, and flows are not stagnant, but excellent throughout. Perhaps the sound design matters more to you though.
The vocals on Clyde Smith are actually Raekwon. Here's the context.
Genius wrote:
This is Raekwon’s response to 50 Cent’s song “How to Rob”. In the song, 50 Cent talked about robbing different rappers. Specifically, he said he would rob Raekwon, Ghostface Killah, RZA, and Ol' Dirty Bastard.
“Catch Rae, Ghost and RZA for them funny ass rings”
So what I'm taking from this is you don't like albums that are just great rapping over instrumentals without beat switches, and an album has to have some innovation or twist on hip-hop to be enjoyable to you? Yeah the skits aren't good, but they don't take up much of the album at all. And for context, 50 Cent dissed Ghost first in an equally petty way.
I wouldn't say beat switches, though that could help it. I'm more arguing about how songs in this album get stagnant. Because music in general is repetitive. But with this, I feel like there could have been more hooks or intricate details that would get me more invested. Once I hear the same riff over, it just loses the luster for me personally.
Now there was a song on this album that meet this certain credential halfway. That being track 18. That was one of the few where I would argue that there was more to it sound wise, but never went all the way.
Also, yeah I would agree there wasn't many skits on the album.
P.S What did 50 Cent do that was equally petty?
I would argue his lyricism, wordplay, and flows are not stagnant, but excellent throughout. Perhaps the sound design matters more to you though.
The vocals on Clyde Smith are actually Raekwon. Here's the context.
Genius wrote:
This is Raekwon’s response to 50 Cent’s song “How to Rob”. In the song, 50 Cent talked about robbing different rappers. Specifically, he said he would rob Raekwon, Ghostface Killah, RZA, and Ol' Dirty Bastard.
“Catch Rae, Ghost and RZA for them funny ass rings”
So 50 instigated it. Can't blame them for responding.
In reality it is the sound design of the album. Lyrically for the most part, don't have a problem with it.
Also yeah, I don't think 50 would have able to rob from Wu Tang Clan. Especially Ol Dirty Bastard.
Purplepashranker, rater, & music list makerProfile Western Australia
Again a band I love and know really well but only from a few albums and a compilation I loved when I was younger. So I was a bit disappointed at first with this album. Ît was pretty generic 60s stuff for the first few songs, but once Much Too Much started there's the recognisable Who sound I like. From then it was great. Especially, obviously, the My Generation and The Kids Are Alright double. Really enjoyed the closer The Ox too.
Luigii let's go with White Stripes. More my taste than yours probably, and it wouldn't be one of the first few White Stripes albums that I would normally recommend to someone but give it a try anyway.
Parsley, Sage, Rosemary And Thyme - Simon And Garfunkel
The Times They Are A-Changin' - Bob Dylan
6- And 12- String Guitar - Leo Kottke
Donovan's Greatest Hits - Donovan
I Never Loved A Man The Way I Love You - Aretha Franklin
Santana - Santana
The Allman Brothers Band - The Allman Brothers Band
Live At The Apollo - James Brown
With The Beatles - The Beatles
Sailor - Steve Miller Band
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Yeah this wasn't really my thing. Not a bad album by any stretch of the imagination, but not a record that makes me go holy shit. More of a that was nice and then just a one and done. Though I could see it get graded higher than usual. Like my grade would be a 65, but could be a 70. And even then, I would recommend this if your more into this lo fi/garage band. So maybe later but as of now, it was a decent venture.
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For Purplepash
Listen to Santana
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BEA 2000 List
#5 Marshall Matters LP-Eminem
#11 Hybrid Theory-Linkin Park
#12 All That You Can't Leave Behind-U2
#14 Heartbreaker-Ryan Adams
#22 Spirit They're Gone, Spirit They've Vanished-Avey Tare & Panda Bear
#24 And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside Out-Yo La Tengo
#26 1-The Beatles
#27 Daisies Of The Galaxy-Eels
#28 Lost Souls-Doves
#29 Thirteen Tales From Urban Bohemia-The Dandy Warholes
So I finished up BOTW with a 98.04 out of 100. That is honestly incredible. Will come back to it later. Now I'm playing both the remake of Katamari Damacy and Mario Odyssey.
RoundTheBendI miss the comfort in being sadProfile Ground Control
90/100 easily. With more listens I could see this making my top 20. It goes so many place I love. Fantastic drumming.
2. Luigii, check out the album that kept U2's career going at a time most thought they were done for (an interesting question you'll rarely get a consensus on: When did U2 start sucking). A lot of this music sounds much better live.
3.
173. Blackwater Park by Opeth (2001)
210. First Utterance by Comus (1971)
214. Painkiller by Judas Priest (1990)
215. Sevent Son of a Seventh Son by Iron Maiden (1988)
228. Vol 4 by Black Sabbath (1974) - needs a rating
256. Still Life by Opeth (1999)
260. Jane Doe by Converge (2001)
264. Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers [Moanin'] (1959) - needs a rating
274. Human by Death (1991)
275. Tabula rasa by Arvo Pärt (1977)
Yeah, I love this a lot. If people think this is when they fell off, I don't know what to say. I mean I could look at you as a silly person since this album is not only enveloping but also has some electronic tinkering within. Like though I enjoyed Zooroopa, I prefer this more.
Grade:95
Also this will be higher than Parachutes.
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Try Jane Doe Seth.
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BEA 2000 List
#5 Marshall Matters LP-Eminem
#11 Hybrid Theory-Linkin Park
#14 Heartbreaker-Ryan Adams
#21 Spirit They're Gone, Spirit They've Vanished-Avey Tare & Panda Bear
#24 And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside Out-Yo La Tengo
#26 1-The Beatles
#27 Daisies Of The Galaxy-Eels
#28 Lost Souls-Doves
#29 Thirteen Tales From Urban Bohemia-The Dandy Warholes
#30 Building Nothing Out Of Something-Modest Mouse
I am almost done with the Top 20 for 2000. That's pretty remarkable. Not out of the woods just yet. Got a while to go before the year is done. But I'm quite proud.
Purplepashranker, rater, & music list makerProfile Western Australia
I haven't really heard much of any Santana before This was good, but not great. I wouldn't have liked this when I was younger but now I can appreciate it, although I tended to drift off at times as the album went on. I feel it's the sort of music I would enjoy more in a live setting. I once saw a video of them performing one ten minute plus song live and it was excellent.
Luigii listen to the second best Modest Mouse album from 2000.
Parsley, Sage, Rosemary And Thyme - Simon And Garfunkel
The Times They Are A-Changin' - Bob Dylan
6- And 12- String Guitar - Leo Kottke
Donovan's Greatest Hits - Donovan
I Never Loved A Man The Way I Love You - Aretha Franklin
The Allman Brothers Band - The Allman Brothers Band
Live At The Apollo - James Brown
With The Beatles - The Beatles
Sailor - Steve Miller Band
Willie And The Poor Boys - Creedence Clearwater Revival
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This was way better than the other Modest Mouse album. Like it was weirder, more wild and actually hold my interest way more. I do want to go back to Moon And Antarctica soon, but this made me get the hype for Modest way more.
My guess why I prefer this was M&A was a more of a slow burner but this was more like an active bon fire.
Grade:85
(2)James Brown. The Godfather of Funk. Go to him.
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BEA 2000 List
#5 Marshall Matters LP-Eminem
#11 Hybrid Theory-Linkin Park
#14 Heartbreaker-Ryan Adams
#21 Spirit They're Gone, Spirit They've Vanished-Avey Tare & Panda Bear
#24 And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside Out-Yo La Tengo
#26 1-The Beatles
#27 Daisies Of The Galaxy-Eels
#28 Lost Souls-Doves
#29 Thirteen Tales From Urban Bohemia-The Dandy Warholes
#31 Lightbulb Sun-Porcupine Tree
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