Is cultural diversity a criterion for chart quality?

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denmarkman



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I still don't have any sort of grasp on what constitutes "chart quality". The only way I can imagine a chart is bad is if it's dishonest. Sure, charts full of The Beatles and U2 aren't super fun to look at, but if it's what people like I'd rather them put those albums on their chart than force diversity onto their chart for the sake of diversity.

And no, it obviously doesn't make you racist. People living in the western world are inevitably going to be exposed to more "white music" than anything, and unfortunately not everyone has as much time as they'd like to explore a wider variety of styles. This is much more likely to be a consequence of being too busy or just not being as passionate about listening to music than it is to be a consequence of being racist.
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Most of the people here happen to be caucasian and don't really want to go out of their comfort zone, it's fair. They were probably not exposed to a lot of AA dominated genres growing up? (This is an assumption, not a fact.)

It sucks for someone like me that is rather thin on people that can relate to some of those genres with me. Sad
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white men with guitars will get you BEA far.... or, wait
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Cultural diversity tends to play a part in my particular rankings solely because I enjoy what other cultures can bring into the picture over the ones I personally adhere to (meaning that instead of viewing myself as a participant of activities or ideals synonymous with x, I view myself as synonymous with x). However, race, affiliation to x, etc. is typically irrelevant for music as far as I'm concerned (and irrelevant for most entertainment based media that I enjoy) when referring directly to enjoyment. Not referring to enjoyment, I don't see how race and culture have much to do with each other. There are plenty of different collectives which consider their activities as a culture which all fall under the same race yet they're very different from one another. As much as certain people want to view hip hop as synonymous with blacks, as far as I'm aware, every single black person is different (genetically speaking) and a plethora of black people have different approaches to the creation of said music. Lumping people together for almost any reason tends to irk me because it's not an accurate portrayal of every perspective.
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sp4cetiger wrote:
A chart doesn't tell you what a person has listened to, it tells you what they like.



And even in those 100 spots, it can be really difficult to get a full perspective of what someone likes. I know that my chart personally gives off a vibe that I don't enjoy hip hop, jazz, classical, etc, because it's mostly rock based, but that definitely doesn't mean that I don't enjoy plenty of things outside that narrow view. I've just listened to thousands of albums, so it's hard to represent everything. And i'm not one of those people looking to impress everyone with my wide-ranging tastes. Nah, because the fact is, I'm most likely gonna put on that Red House Painters album instead of that strange Malaysian folk music, because it speaks to me in a more relatable manner.
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denmarkman wrote:
I still don't have any sort of grasp on what constitutes "chart quality". The only way I can imagine a chart is bad is if it's dishonest. Sure, charts full of The Beatles and U2 aren't super fun to look at, but if it's what people like I'd rather them put those albums on their chart than force diversity onto their chart for the sake of diversity.


Honesty is nice ro whatever, but it still doesnt mean im going to like your chart. Im probably not going to waste my time even looking through a chart that has 8 u2 albums on it or 6 beatles albums etc. I mean yeah, obviously do what you want; it's your chart. But im not going to praise every single one because they put stuff on it that they like. Id rather look at a diverse chart and I dont care if theyre secretly not youre actual favorites. Why would I?
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You can't fault people for not listing what they haven't heard or don't like. I've been exposed to a lot of Asian rock through living in Asia for 6 years...but I don't go around to people's charts saying you should have more Chinese/Japanese artists in your chart. You can only list stuff that you are aware of, and given the overwhelming amount of music out there it is pretty impossible to be aware of even a fraction of what is out there, even for the most dedicated listeners.

Personally, I don't really care for hip-hop/rap. Most of those artists are black. Does this make me racist? Of course not. It's just that particular style of music doesn't appeal to me. Boy bands (most of whom are white) don't appeal to me either. Reading too much into people's tastes is just ridiculous.

As others have said, even with a limit of 100, you are not going to be able to get a full grasp of someone's listening habits and tastes. I don't have any female artists on my top 100. does that make me sexist? Does it mean I don't listen to female artists? Of course not. I listen to a lot of female artists. Just because you don't see something on someone's chart don't assume they don't listen to it.
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Necharsian wrote:
But im not going to praise every single one because they put stuff on it that they like. Id rather look at a diverse chart and I dont care if theyre secretly not youre actual favorites. Why would I?


If someone is putting up albums that they think are mediocre purely for the sake of diversity, then their chart is worthless to me as a source of recs.
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Genres are a little stupid anyway. There are plenty of genres within hip hop itself. Alternative, Experimental and Indie hip hop all bring something unique to the table and there are plenty of bands/groups that categorize themselves as multiple things (Rage Against the Machine).

Before discounting everything from a certain genre, try to expand from just those "singular" genre categorizations.

Check out something like Shabazz Palace's Lese Majesty or Black Up. It's not like your average hip hop record.

Check out some Jazz, Blues, Funk, Soul, R&B. These were all crucial to the development of music but are randomly discounted? Be honest here...
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eyezayzay



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Side Note: Stop assuming people automatically mean hip hop. If you're honestly that ignorant about music to think that's the only "culturalyl diverse" music around then...wow. I feel bad for you.
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