Liberal English Translated - Politics & Religion

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couple of things GARY:
the bible is certainly written by man that is the only thing i can say for sure about it.
RE: the founding fathers. Now i'm not completely learned about this but I know the founding fathers, though some may have been bible reading christians, never intended for america to be a Christian nation.

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That's true many have made famous quotes that lean towards an Atheist train of thought. your constitutions Freedom of Religion was originally intended to be seen as Freedom from religion. Giving people the right to not have to be affiliated with any kind of cult without feeling prejudice.

The cornerstone of liberty and free will.
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Jhereko wrote:

couple of things GARY:
the bible is certainly written by man that is the only thing i can say for sure about it.
RE: the founding fathers. Now i'm not completely learned about this but I know the founding fathers, though some may have been bible reading christians, never intended for america to be a Christian nation.

2 Timothy 3:16 "ALL scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, and is profitable for doctorine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

The writers of the Bible were holy men moved by the Holy Ghost who were given precise ideas and were then written in the writers own words.

You could not be more wrong about the founding fathers never intending for America to be a Christian nation.I could sit here all day writing quotes from people like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington and numerous others talking about God and how important he is to have in this nation.
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GARY

thomas697 wrote:

That's true many have made famous quotes that lean towards an Atheist train of thought. your constitutions Freedom of Religion was originally intended to be seen as Freedom from religion. Giving people the right to not have to be affiliated with any kind of cult without feeling prejudice.

The cornerstone of liberty and free will.

The first amendment to the U.S. constitution, written by Thomas Jefferson a Christian, states. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

This has been woefully misinterpreted by modern leftists. Leading to such things as not allowing prayers in schools or the reading of the Bible in them. And many other things as well. Funny thing about you saying that there are MANY who have made FAMOUS quotes that lean towards ATHEIST train of thought. Laughing

I happen to know my history Thomas and have read many books about the founding fathers. How come I haven't been privy to these MANY ATHEIST QUOTES Eh?

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Johnny Flynn

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GARY wrote:

thomas697 wrote:

That's true many have made famous quotes that lean towards an Atheist train of thought. your constitutions Freedom of Religion was originally intended to be seen as Freedom from religion. Giving people the right to not have to be affiliated with any kind of cult without feeling prejudice.

The cornerstone of liberty and free will.

The first amendment to the U.S. constitution, written by Thomas Jefferson a Christian, states. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

This has been woefully misinterpreted by modern leftists. Leading to such things as not allowing prayers in schools or the reading of the Bible in them. And many other things as well. Funny thing about you saying that there are MANY who have made FAMOUS quotes that lean towards ATHEIST train of thought. Laughing

I happen to know my history Thomas and have read many books about the founding fathers. How come I haven't been privy to these MANY ATHEIST QUOTES Eh?

Perhaps because you didn't pay attention.
Though there are several things I would take issue with you have said in your last few posts, I would like to focus on the assertion that the founding fathers and more specifically Thomas Jefferson were Christians.
In a letter to John Adams he pines for the virgin birth to "be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva."
He stated how he cares not if there are 20 gods or no gods.
He talks of how perverse and torturous Christianity had been.
He believed in Jesus as a great philosopher and loved his code of morals but did not believe he was the son of God or performed miracles as is shown by his writing of "The life and morals of Jesus of Nazareth." Jefferson referred to his writing of this text as finding "diamonds in a dunghill."
He went on to state in a letter to William Short "Jesus did not mean to impose himself on mankind as the son of God, physically speaking."
Jefferson did not believe Jesus Christ was divine but rather just a human being.
Does this sound Christian to you? Does this sound like someone who would want religion being imposed onto our children in government run facilities? The man who created the term, "wall of separation of church and state?"

In fact I would argue that none of the Major founding fathers were in fact orthodox Christian. They abhorred the church and thought it corrupted Jesus' message. They believed religion to be individualistic and meant to stay that way.

I will tackle the myth that Reagan was some slasher of big government later.

GARY

Johnny Flynn wrote:

GARY wrote:

thomas697 wrote:

That's true many have made famous quotes that lean towards an Atheist train of thought. your constitutions Freedom of Religion was originally intended to be seen as Freedom from religion. Giving people the right to not have to be affiliated with any kind of cult without feeling prejudice.

The cornerstone of liberty and free will.

The first amendment to the U.S. constitution, written by Thomas Jefferson a Christian, states. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

This has been woefully misinterpreted by modern leftists. Leading to such things as not allowing prayers in schools or the reading of the Bible in them. And many other things as well. Funny thing about you saying that there are MANY who have made FAMOUS quotes that lean towards ATHEIST train of thought. Laughing

I happen to know my history Thomas and have read many books about the founding fathers. How come I haven't been privy to these MANY ATHEIST QUOTES Eh?

Perhaps because you didn't pay attention.
Though there are several things I would take issue with you have said in your last few posts, I would like to focus on the assertion that the founding fathers and more specifically Thomas Jefferson were Christians.
In a letter to John Adams he pines for the virgin birth to "be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva."
He stated how he cares not if there are 20 gods or no gods.
He talks of how perverse and torturous Christianity had been.
He believed in Jesus as a great philosopher and loved his code of morals but did not believe he was the son of God or performed miracles as is shown by his writing of "The life and morals of Jesus of Nazareth." Jefferson referred to his writing of this text as finding "diamonds in a dunghill."
He went on to state in a letter to William Short "Jesus did not mean to impose himself on mankind as the son of God, physically speaking."
Jefferson did not believe Jesus Christ was divine but rather just a human being.
Does this sound Christian to you? Does this sound like someone who would want religion being imposed onto our children in government run facilities? The man who created the term, "wall of separation of church and state?"

In fact I would argue that none of the Major founding fathers were in fact orthodox Christian. They abhorred the church and thought it corrupted Jesus' message. They believed religion to be individualistic and meant to stay that way.

I will tackle the myth that Reagan was some slasher of big government later.

I love how tree huggers rewrite history. you contradict yourself. (also a socialist trait) And you are confusing what I stated. There is a difference between Believing in the God of the Bible and the term Christianity. Be real, there are millions of people who CLAIM to be Christians but are in fact nothing of the kind. Like President Obummer. Many people including myself are against organized religion. Who do you think your playing with Johnny? Forget your orthodox Christian bullshit. The founding Fathers were Bible Believing God fearing born again Christians. True believers in God. Keep playing your games Johnny because I know the truth and I have the facts on my side. But you, and most of the others on here, would prefer to look for any possible minute detail of mine in an attemp to discredit me. I came up with a few quotes from Einstein on here and it certainly could lead people, based on those few quotes, to believe that Einstein believed in God. But I later addmitted that no I don't really think he did. Because I can find 100 quotes from Einstein that would show pretty clearly that he was not a believer in the God of the Bible. But, more importantly one can deduce after a thorough and honest unbiest examination of ALL the quotes of the founding Fathers and, (the overall jist of what they say and do and stand for) one could only come to the logical conclusion that the founding Fathers WERE IN FACT, CHRISTIANS, TRUE CHRISTIANS.

I have no idea how old you are Johnny but I as an udult when Ronald Regan was President of the United States. He was also my Commander In Chief. I am very aware of what he did as president. He DID lower taxes.And more importantly he REDUCED SPENDING. Unlike that idiot Nobamma. If you chose not to believe this FACT. You are a complete and utter moron.
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GARY

In 1981 President Reagan signed a bill providing a 25% across the board cut in personal marginal tax rates. Thus boosting economic growth.

Economics 101 for Johnny and President Obummer. Reducing excessive tax rates stimulates growth. You can't tax and spend your way to prosparity.
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Johnny Flynn

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The one who is rewriting things seems to be you. What the hell is your made up definition of a true Christian. Jefferson himself stated he didn't believe Jesus to be divine at all. The major tenant of Christianity. How can he then be construed as a Christian?

GARY

Johnny Flynn wrote:

How did I rewrite history? Jefferson himself stated he didn't believe Jesus to be divine at all. How can he then be construed as a Christian?

First I just want to say I got carried away before. I got a bunch of bad shit going on at this moment. And I personally respect and admire Reagan who I think was one of our greatest Presidents. I don't know where you got that quote from Jefferson? Everything I have discovered about Thomas Jefferson leads me to firmly believe that he was in fact a Christian. I don't know what to think about this Johnny? It's weird because like I said, I found quotes from Einstein that made it sound like he believed in God.
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Ever heard of "Jefferson Bible"?