Aural Autism

[Applerill]

[Satie]

you're dodging the fact that you often are not rating "as you listen" though. in the case of Blackstar, albums Gowie never released, and a 51CD box set you obviously heard less than a full disc of given the timing from talking to me to rating to rating something else, you have heard a small minority of the music contained on a release or none at all. you can't have your cake and eat it too where you tout out 12,000 (largely singles) ratings as some e-peen in some forums and in others it's just a shoddy mess of half truths and poor conceptions. that's everyone's point - we can't get to what your taste is or even what you've heard or not based on flagrant and consistent clear dishonesty, ignoring cases where dishonesty isn't immediately objectively obvious.

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I definitely see where the Charlie criticisms are coming from but really does one's rating system really define their sense of ethics? It sounds like Applerill is just rating shit what he thinks will end up being his eventual rating. Or at worst he's just pulling a platus and using ratings as something of a pseudo-wishlist. Idk but in any case I don't think he's nearly as concerned with his self-made "outsider" image or w/e as we seem to think. I seriously doubt there's any deliberate or malicious intent to deceive when he rates stuff, maybe just a questionable rating system. He's got a disorganized rym and weird rating habits, not a total lack of personal integrity.

[Applerill]

I guess what I'm confused about is where this becomes a moral issue of dishonesty. For the most part, I like to use my RYM database as a sort of scratch-pad. When I was listening to that Hermann Nitsch comp, I believe I went one or two discs in before realizing "Oh my goodness this is really, really cool", and feeling like it had to be in my database (I listened to another three discs after that, BTW, and even repeated the first two several times over the past six months). That way, whenever I looked up its genre tags, it'd be there with a pretty good estimate of how it moved me. I know I could just use the wishlist function or something, and that you can easily call this "overly compulsive" or even "irresponsible", but I don't think any of it was based off malice or selfishness.

I wish it were easy for me to avoid pre-rating things (as I've been trying to restrain myself on and off since around 2012 when The Avengers came out), but so often I just can't help but press that button. When I listen to a preview single or read a review or find a title funny, I really want to express that, even if the release I'm rating doesn't "exist" yet. I can continue to try my best with it, but I'm afraid that that's all I can promise. I'm really sorry if this bothers you all.

[Satie]

I like Charlie's style actually. Since we can judge without listening to the music and Gabe and Squishy will defend us now, all I have to do is see the genre tag "indie rock" on RYM, and I can express how much I dislike the music. Saves me the time of having to form my own opinions on all the garbage I see posted here and everyone will just congratulate and defend me. What a wonderful new world to be in.

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All I'm saying is obsessive compulsive rating habits ≠ moral dishonesty

[Applerill]

[Satie]

who the fuck brought up morality lol I don't think Charlie's a bad person or going to Aytch Ee Double Hockey Sticks. I think he's someone who's unreliable for a fair music discussion, though, and someone whose opinions are, by his own admission here, based more on extramusical factors than I think is appropriate. yes someone with no aesthetic outlook on music as sound, as evidenced by his interest in art criticism as some sort of meta-textual exercise, and his political and philosophical positions and musings are too uninteresting and sophomoric for that kind of writing to be pulled off.

I'm sure he's not ethically condemnable though

[Applerill]

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