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| Poll: Should Neo-Westerns Be Allowed? |
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CA Dreamin
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Location: LA
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- #11
- Posted: 04/25/2018 04:01
- Post subject: Re: Best Ever Western Films [POLL]
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badseed has already said this twice. In the first post of this thread:
| badseed wrote: | | If you think it's a western, vote for it. |
And in the seventh post:
| badseed wrote: | | If you think it's a western, rank it. If you don't, don't rank it. |
Edit, and this:
| badseed wrote: | | if you think it belongs, list it, and if nobody agrees it probably won't make the list anyway |
I think of Neo-Westerns as a separate genre. To me, what makes a film a Western is Frontier myth, how it creates a vision of a specific time and place in history before mass communication, transportation, and full colonization. It could be a romanticized or a deglamorized vision. But in Neo-Westerns, there isn't much (if any) Frontier myth. They take place in more recent times, when the frontier is closed because the West has been fully settled. And there isn't much myth to them either. I have a hard time calling No Country and Hell or High Water Westerns since they have more in common with Thelma and Louise, Fargo, and Gun Crazy than they do with Unforgiven or High Noon. But if everyone else includes them, I probably will too.
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Hayden
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- #12
- Posted: 04/25/2018 04:03
- Post subject: Re: Best Ever Western Films [POLL]
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| StreetSpirit wrote: | badseed has already said this twice. In the first post of this thread:
And in the seventh post:
| badseed wrote: | | If you think it's a western, rank it. If you don't, don't rank it. |
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Just wanted the general consensus 
Thanks badseed.
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AwaitingAndrew
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- #13
- Posted: 04/25/2018 04:13
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Sounds good, my list won't be too large but I'm in. Expect to see two versions of 3:10 to Yuma very high on my list. I'm a sucker for those films, both the original that is now a Criterion and the Bale-Crowe remake which forges its own path along the way.
| StreetSpirit wrote: | | If I'm the only one who has The Ox-Bow Incident on their list, then shame on all of you. |
You definitely won't be the only one with it on their list. And for you fans of Henry Fonda and James Stewart westerns, I highly recommend the western comedy The Cheyenne Social Club, which sees the good friends share the screen.
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mickilennial
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CA Dreamin
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- #15
- Posted: 04/25/2018 04:40
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| Gowi wrote: | | https://letterboxd.com/sentarous/list/favorite-westerns/ |
 Great list. I'm sure we'll all take at least a few recs from this.
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mickilennial
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- #16
- Posted: 04/25/2018 08:04
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| StreetSpirit wrote: | | Great list. I'm sure we'll all take at least a few recs from this. |
Well, I hope it is useful for those who haven’t watched some under-known classics and favorites.
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badseed
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- #17
- Posted: 04/25/2018 14:38
- Post subject: Re: Best Ever Western Films [POLL]
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| StreetSpirit wrote: | badseed has already said this twice. In the first post of this thread:
And in the seventh post:
Edit, and this:
I think of Neo-Westerns as a separate genre. To me, what makes a film a Western is Frontier myth, how it creates a vision of a specific time and place in history before mass communication, transportation, and full colonization. It could be a romanticized or a deglamorized vision. But in Neo-Westerns, there isn't much (if any) Frontier myth. They take place in more recent times, when the frontier is closed because the West has been fully settled. And there isn't much myth to them either. I have a hard time calling No Country and Hell or High Water Westerns since they have more in common with Thelma and Louise, Fargo, and Gun Crazy than they do with Unforgiven or High Noon. But if everyone else includes them, I probably will too. |
They're definitely about as far from the real thing as you can be but I don't see either style reaching a quality list of 100 without the other. Just do like I am (and have for most genre lists) by blending genre purity and film quality. For example I love There Will Be Blood more than any western ever but since it's not the most westerny western by a long shot it probably won't crack my top 50.
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Tha1ChiefRocka
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- #18
- Posted: 04/25/2018 15:23
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Whoo doggy, what a list Gowi! I'm glad you had Outland on yours; I was a little cautious about adding it to mine. I think that movie gets unfairly maligned as an Alien knockoff. I think it's better than that.
ALSO: This is a decent documentary about the depiction of Native Americans in films if anyone is interested.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1484114/?ref_=ttls_li_tt
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PurpleHazel
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- #19
- Posted: 04/25/2018 19:32
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| badseed wrote: | | Hayden wrote: |
Mad Max: Fury Road (Miller himself called it a 'western on wheels')
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I'm gonna have to refer to your "if you think it belongs, list it, and if nobody agrees it probably won't make the list anyway" thing. I hope this doesn't bite us in the ass by making us wind up with more Star Wars films than John Wayne but it is what it is. With that said none of those were on my radar as westerns and if they were they're all probably good enough to be there. But personally those three are a no for my list. |
Just because a director was inspired by a genre while making a film, that doesn't in of itself make that film that genre. I personally don't think No Country for Old Men is a Western either. I'd argue that NCfOM is a neo-noir film if anything. Cormac McCarthy intended the book to be a noirish crime novel. There Will Be Blood is one of the best Hollywood films of this millennium, but I don't personally consider it a Western. Don't think Outlander's a Western. Just because a movie borrows a plot from a another movie doesn't make it the same genre. Throw Mama from the Train isn't a suspense film!
But "if you think it belongs, list it" is the right policy. I just hope the No Country for Old Men and some of the other contemporary movies won't push great classic westerns off the list just because more members have seen them and they're favorites of theirs.
I do think The Revenant and Last of the Mohicans are "frontier Westerns."
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mickilennial
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- #20
- Posted: 04/25/2018 20:29
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| Tha1ChiefRocka wrote: | Whoo doggy, what a list Gowi! I'm glad you had Outland on yours; I was a little cautious about adding it to mine. I think that movie gets unfairly maligned as an Alien knockoff. I think it's better than that.
ALSO: This is a decent documentary about the depiction of Native Americans in films if anyone is interested.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1484114/?ref_=ttls_li_tt |
Yeah, it's a much better High Noon knockoff.
| Quote: | | Don't think Outlander's a Western. |
Outland not Outlander. And it’s a Space Western.
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