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hairymarx1
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- #41
- Posted: 07/26/2011 07:45
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| Elston wrote: | I would seriously question the notion that mimicry, or 'influence' to put it mildly, is a subconscious act. On the contrary, I think it must be sought out. Studying the past and learning from the masters is a highly laborious task and not something that descends randomly from the heavens. If an artist is honest with himself, he wouldn't have much trouble pin-pointing where his influence comes from, or at least that he had indeed heard it somewhere before. An artist who merely conforms to an established pattern is not making new music. It's questionable whether he is even making art. I don't know much about Oasis, but it could be that they aren't even artists, but frauds.
As for it being harder today for rock artists to be original, you have to consider that we have a better understanding of influential rock artists (ie Chuck Berry) than did those in the past and we know now more than ever how important they are. With this heightened consciousness of the past I think an artist is in a much better position to do something brilliant than someone playing rock in the 50s. And his music will sound different because he is also influenced by his current culture and contemporaries. I think that's a big reason why Beefheart's Trout Mask is so incredible. He was influenced by many different styles and also by the revolutionary atmosphere of the 60s. Furthermore, a work of that magnitude invariably changes rock n roll and what it's capable of, causing a complete revaluation of the canon. |
I agree with that. This logic also goes some way to explaining why (at least in part) the Beatles' frequently stated importance to the development of rock is overstated. Progressive bands of the period were consciously moving away from the classic melody and formalized song structure exemplified by the Beatles, not because they were technically incapable as musicians or purveyors of harmony and melody, but because they well understood that this approach was well-worn and, by the late 60s during a period when the Beatles were continuing to churn out nursery rhymes, had already long passed its sell-by date.
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pearljammer13
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- #42
- Posted: 12/21/2011 23:55
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I just found the song My Dream Girl Don't Exist by Neutral Milk Hotel today. Instantly heard When I Come Around by Green Day. It's the identical chord progression, just a half step down I think. Even still though both songs are completely different, and both very good.
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VADERBREWING
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- #43
- Posted: 12/22/2011 03:39
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Adel's Rolling in the Deep sounds like a rolling stone song at times through the chorus.
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- Posted: 12/22/2011 03:52
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[Song by U2] sounds remarkably similar to [Any Other Song by U2].
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WillWill1989
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- #45
- Posted: 12/24/2011 07:01
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Rebellion (Lies) - Arcade Fire sounds a lot like Desire Lines - Deerhunter
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Error Finn
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junodog4
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alelsupreme
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- #48
- Posted: 01/21/2012 21:57
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She sampled it.
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Error Finn
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alelsupreme
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- Posted: 01/21/2012 22:45
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dunno. Dance music has loads of samples, I doubt most of them put the people who they sampled in the liner notes.
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