EPs: The Official Regulations - Suggestions

videoheadcleaner

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Recently I have been on the warpath of my collection, looking for EPs to add to year lists. However, I seemed to have gotten carried away. Therefore I want to lay down the criteria for acceptable EPs (as I feel guilty and wish to mend my ways).

1) An EP (or extended play) can only be accepted if it is legitimately listed as an EP on another respectable website (eg. RYM). A band's own Wiki or iTunes-created EP (smash together b-sides from several versions of single) cannot be included.

2) The length of an EP must exceed 20 minutes. EPs under that length will need to be cited as legitimate releases worthy of being in the realm of "albums."

3) The number of tracks must be 5 or more. EPs under this amount will need to be cited as legitimate releases worthy of being in the realm of "albums."

4) Finally, consider if the EP is worthy standing next to other full albums. Sometimes an EP is a single with live/acoustic/remix versions of the same song. Even though these may be great, is one song repeated 4 times really an album? (see Fripp & Eno)

Well, I feel better and now, will be in the process of removing EPs that don't fit the criteria.

Thoughts?

thejoj96

harkan wrote:

2) The length of an EP must exceed 20 minutes. EPs under that length will need to be cited as legitimate releases worthy of being in the realm of "albums."

3) The number of tracks must be 5 or more. EPs under this amount will need to be cited as legitimate releases worthy of being in the realm of "albums."

this conflicts with 27 minute long eps that have two tracks

Guest

I disagree with point 3. A lot of albums have less than five tracks.

videoheadcleaner

formerly Harkan

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thejoj96 wrote:

this conflicts with 27 minute long eps that have two tracks

It's an either/or situation.

Either the EP is longer than 4 tracks or longer than 20 minutes.

Therefore 27 minutes and 2 tracks is fine.

27 tracks and 2 minutes is not.

BTW, this is what albummaster has already in place anyway. I was just taking the guilt trip away from myself for adding useless EPs.

Defago

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And here I was, wanting to add your stuff to my upcoming 2013 chart. Sad

ptaylor1989

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Just to quote Albumaster because the definition (and thought process) helped me when I needed it:

"There's now a clear cut off, which is 20 minutes, or more than 4 tracks. This is slightly more lenient than the official definition of an album (by five minutes), to allow members a bit of flexibility. This is an album site, and there has to be a sensible cut-off to maintain the integrity of the charts. Nothing is taken down immediately, there's 28 days to contest anything you think has been incorrectly flagged."

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albummaster

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harkan wrote:

Recently I have been on the warpath of my collection, looking for EPs to add to year lists. However, I seemed to have gotten carried away. Therefore I want to lay down the criteria for acceptable EPs (as I feel guilty and wish to mend my ways).

1) An EP (or extended play) can only be accepted if it is legitimately listed as an EP on another respectable website (eg. RYM). A band's own Wiki or iTunes-created EP (smash together b-sides from several versions of single) cannot be included.

2) The length of an EP must exceed 20 minutes. EPs under that length will need to be cited as legitimate releases worthy of being in the realm of "albums."

3) The number of tracks must be 5 or more. EPs under this amount will need to be cited as legitimate releases worthy of being in the realm of "albums."

4) Finally, consider if the EP is worthy standing next to other full albums. Sometimes an EP is a single with live/acoustic/remix versions of the same song. Even though these may be great, is one song repeated 4 times really an album? (see Fripp & Eno)

Well, I feel better and now, will be in the process of removing EPs that don't fit the criteria.

Thoughts?

If each member starts having their own the definition of what should be here, the site will become a giant mess with no way of resolving anything because each person will have their own rules. I disagree with points 1 & 4 (if I'm interpreting correctly - maybe I'm not), the rest of it is in line with what is already here.

Last edited by albummaster on 01/15/2013 07:44; edited 1 time in total

albummaster

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sorry, I've just read back through and understand a bit better now, and most of it is being done already. Point 4 is very difficult to manage; for example, EPs with 5 tracks and different mixes of the same track amongst them are (usually) not albums in 'spirit', but qualify in all other ways. It's very difficult to police this and it is quite contentious as it is a back door to adding non-albums that I hadn't thought would be used. Point 1 is implicit, nothing is ever added on BEA unless it is officially released and proven to exist.

videoheadcleaner

formerly Harkan

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Age: 39

ptaylor1989 wrote:

"There's now a clear cut off, which is 20 minutes, or more than 4 tracks. This is slightly more lenient than the official definition of an album (by five minutes), to allow members a bit of flexibility. This is an album site, and there has to be a sensible cut-off to maintain the integrity of the charts. Nothing is taken down immediately, there's 28 days to contest anything you think has been incorrectly flagged."

Ahh, should have looked for this. Forgot about this.

Ignore thread.

albummaster

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for general info, this is the other thread where this was discussed - http://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/vi...php?t=1925