To be fair. The Byrds version of Bells of Rhymney was a cover of a Pete Seeger song, so it's not like their version was original either. I do love that song though. _________________ http://jonnyleather.com
To be fair. The Byrds version of Bells of Rhymney was a cover of a Pete Seeger song, so it's not like their version was original either. I do love that song though.
Well sure. I don't mean to say that, just that The Beatles song wasn't completely original.
Well sure. I don't mean to say that, just that The Beatles song wasn't completely original.
understood.
i think anyone who complains too much about originality is fooling themselves. Pretty much all art borrows or responds to what came before it. Even artists such as Faust or Kraftwerk who seem totally original in relation to 60s rock bands were still borrowing from or inspired by previous musicians. _________________ http://jonnyleather.com
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hahahaha. he'd definitely put me in my place, explaining that i know nothing about creativity.
from my own studies of art history (BFA in Fine art and 5 years publishing 3 major Art magazines), I personally believe that for someone to be 100% original, they have to know nothing about the creative process. basically only a brain dead person or someone who has lived in a bubble can create something that has not at all been influenced by what came before. _________________ http://jonnyleather.com
Aside from the examples already given, aside from the lawsuit that Lennon lost to Chuck Berry's publisher over the opening lyric of "Come Together", and aside from Harrison's "Something" lifting the opening line from James Taylor's "Something In The Way She Moves" (Taylor had just signed with Apple), how much more would you require? _________________ May we all get to heaven
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Aside from the examples already given, aside from the lawsuit that Lennon lost to Chuck Berry's publisher over the opening lyric of "Come Together", and aside from Harrison's "Something" lifting the opening line from James Taylor's "Something In The Way She Moves" (Taylor had just signed with Apple), how much more would you require?
Quite a bit if you're going to back up your claim that the Beatles were among the greatest thieves in musical history. I don't view influence as equivalent to theft. The examples that Swedenman gave sound more like the former to me... admittedly the songs have some superficial similarities, but not so strong that I would say that they stole the spirit of the original. I acknowledge that the Chuck Berry example sits more in the theft category, but that's the only one I'd use that word for. Certainly not using the title of a James Taylor song as a starting point for "Something."
And, to be honest, I don't agree with the "everything is stolen" statements that are being thrown around here. Most artists that I know take extreme pride in originality -- they may take ideas and influence from other artists, but ultimately don't want to sound like anyone else. Maybe it's just that the line between "theft" and "influence" is quite different for me than for you, but let's not paint the Beatles as the '60s equivalent of Vanilla Ice.
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