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Listmeister
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- #1
- Posted: 11/25/2013 19:13
- Post subject: Eras of Music History
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We tend to group things by decade, which is only natural. However, it seems to me that a generation in music is 6 to 8 years. Artists grow up with the music of one generation to produce the music of the next generation. So you have, since the beginnings of recorded music in 1888 (note, these ages are grossly oversimplified. Think of them as chapter headings):
1888-1911 Wax cylinders (not enough data to determine generational styles)
1912-1919 Barbershop
1920-1932 Two generations of Minstrals and Vaudeville
1933-1939 Big Band
1940-1946 World War II
1947-1954 Post WW II
1955-1963 Rock and Roll
1964-1970 Beatles and the British Invasion
1971-1976 Singer-songwriters, early metal, early punk
1977-1984 Disco, MTV and Punk
1985-1991 Big hair metal, early rap
1992-1999 Alternative, Grunge and Britpop
2000-2008 Not sure what to call these years
2009-2014?
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Patman360
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- Posted: 11/25/2013 19:23
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I'm not overly versed in the history of music, but would jazz and blues not fit in among the early years?
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SuedeSwede
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- Posted: 11/25/2013 19:25
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Anywhere between 1930-1955 is usually early blues, soul, jazz, swing, etc etc.
You've missed out a fair share of revolutionary genres that occurred though...
1985-1991 - Noise pop/shoegaze/post-rock/Madchester
1992-1999 - Emo/more indie rock
2000-2008 - More dream pop/nu gaze, etc
But still genres can go on for decades. There are short eras, and there are just continuous eras. Where I have put 'more' it generally means a genre has continued.
I don't see your point here by the way.
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MrFrogger
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Age: 28
Location: Oakland
- #4
- Posted: 11/25/2013 19:26
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| Mod wrote: | | I don't see your point here |
This. What's the point of oversimplifying music into short sentences, while totally excluding tons of genres?
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- Posted: 11/25/2013 19:28
- Post subject: Re: Eras of Music History
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| Listmeister wrote: | | 2000-2008 Not sure what to call these years |
Indie rock and post-grunge? And I agree with Patman. Blues and Jazz deserve a spot. And I'd say hair metal was also kind of early 80's thanks to KISS, Motley Crue, and Dokken. But yes, most got success in the mid-80's, like GNR, Def leppard, Bon Jovi, Cinderella, and Ratt.
I don't see a rap generation here.
EDIR: also, I know I bitch a lot, but some people just don't want to explore new kinds of music. I get why music buffs like us wouldn't like genre seperation, but not everyone's a music buff who's heard 1,000 albums, let alone 300.
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- Posted: 11/25/2013 20:43
- Post subject: Re: Eras of Music History
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While I agree with those who say this is horribly oversimplifying music history, we could still do a lot better here. The dominant genres of music vary dramatically from one part of the world to another, especially in the early periods. I'm going to assume that you're referring to American popular music, since that's what your list is focused on. I'm also going to focus on the most popular music, since it would be pointless to sit and argue about the "best" music of any era.
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1888-1911 Wax cylinders (not enough data to determine generational styles)
1912-1919 Barbershop |
The dominant styles of music included ragtime and cakewalk, as well as various novelty music coming out of Tin Pan Alley. Jazz and blues were being developed in New Orleans and the Mississippi delta, respectively.
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1920-1932 Two generations of Minstrals and Vaudeville |
Jazz! The first jazz recording was in 1917 and young people all over America were into the craze. Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington each got their start during this period. The blues, while not terribly popular, were being recorded during this time as well, laying the groundwork for later styles (rock, R&B, soul, etc.).
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1933-1939 Big Band
1940-1946 World War II |
Big bands (specifically, swing big bands) played a subgenre of jazz that was developed by band leaders like Count Basie and Chick Webb and popularized by Benny Goodman with his 1938 Carnegie Hall performance. Its popularity continued into the '40s and during WWII.
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1947-1954 Post WW II |
Towards the end of the '40s and into the '50s, the popularity of jazz declined as its biggest proponents began to focus on making art music (specifically, bebop). What remained at the top of the charts were offshoots of the big band craze sometimes sometimes popularly referred to as "crooners." It was essentially big band music, except that the focus was on the vocalist rather than the band. This included people like Ella Fitzgerald, Doris Day, and Frank Sinatra. The post-war era was also notable for its experimentation -- this is when the seeds were laid for free jazz and electronic music.
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1955-1963 Rock and Roll
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Rock and Roll dominated the charts in the mid-to-late '50s, spearheaded by a country-tinged spin on R&B known as "rockabilly." By the early '60s, however, many thought that rock and roll was dying. Meanwhile, the folk/blues revival was in full swing, with artists like the Kingston Trio, Joan Baez, and Peter, Paul and Mary achieving success. Artists like Muddy Waters also helped popularize the electric blues during this period. Finally, the most popular musical fad prior to the British invasion was the girl groups, the success of which continued later in the decade.
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1964-1970 Beatles and the British Invasion
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This period saw a rapid growth in the sophistication of rock music. The Beatles and Beach Boys kicked it off in 1963 and 1964, but things really took off from there. Various subgenres of rock began to emerge, the most popular of which were psychedelic rock, blues rock, and folk rock.
The other style of music that was both developing and extremely popular was soul music. The most well known source of this music was the Motown record label, which laid claim to most of the highest-charting soul musicians of the time.
That's as far as my music history project has gone right now, so my knowledge of the later periods is more limited, but still...
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1977-1984 Disco, MTV and Punk
1985-1991 Big hair metal, early rap |
Electronic and New Wave music were very popular in this period. Post-punk and alternative music were also developing in the underground, setting the stage for '90s rock. Also, some consider the late '80s and early '90s to be the golden age of hip-hop. It didn't become a major player on the charts until the mid-to-late '90s.
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Listmeister
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Location: Ohio
- #7
- Posted: 11/25/2013 20:54
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| Mod wrote: | | I don't see your point here by the way. |
| MrFrogger wrote: | | This. What's the point of oversimplifying music into short sentences, while totally excluding tons of genres? |
The point is to generate discussion about dividing rock history into eras. The point of listing some genres was to provide a tiny bit of context. I didn't exclude any genres on purpose (and just because they aren't listed doesn't mean they're excluded), but you can't include everything when you're trying to simplify.
Besides which, it's a LIST. A list doesn't have to have a point, The List is the point.
Let me try again, with slightly different era divisions, no genres listed, and an explanation of boundaries.
1955-1963
1964-1969
1970-1976
1977-1983
1984-1990
1991-1996
1997-2001
2002-2008
2009-2014(?)
Boundaries. Music is changing rapidly on both sides of a boundary, the event highlighted is the tipping point. Usually it goes unnoticed at the time, and can only be seen in retrospect:
1955 Rock Around the Clock
1964 Beatlemania
1969 Abbey Road, Beatles break up
1977 Studio 54 kicks Disco into mainstream
1982-1983 Michael Jackson, Lionel Ritchie vs. 1984 Springsteen, Madonna
1991 Nevermind
1997 OK Computer
2001 September 11 dumps cold water on all art forms, music included. What emerges is different.
2009 Jay-Z pronounces Death of Auto-tune; auto-tune use ceases.
2014 I can hear the shift in the wind.....
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alelsupreme
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- Posted: 11/25/2013 20:57
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| Listmeister wrote: |
2009 Jay-Z pronounces Death of Auto-tune; auto-tune use ceases.
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lol
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MrFrogger
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Location: Oakland
- #9
- Posted: 11/25/2013 20:59
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| Listmeister wrote: | | Jay-Z pronounces Death of Auto-tune; auto-tune use ceases. |
Please don't tell me you're serious.
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SuedeSwede
Ognoo
Gender: Female
Age: 26
Location: On a cloud
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- Posted: 11/25/2013 21:07
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I'm going to clip your post into a few quotes to show how I'm not fully comprehending your point.
| Listmeister wrote: | The point is to generate discussion about dividing rock history into eras. [Point 1]
Besides which, it's a LIST. A list doesn't have to have a point, The List is the point. [Point 2]
Let me try again, with slightly different era divisions, no genres listed, and an explanation of boundaries.
2001 September 11 dumps cold water on all art forms, music included. What emerges is different.
2009 Jay-Z pronounces Death of Auto-tune; auto-tune use ceases.
2014 I can hear the shift in the wind..... [Point 3] |
Point 1: I don't think anybody should discuss how rock is divided. In fact, I'm not even sure if rock is divided. I'm not even sure if music is divided. Bob Marley, for instance, where does he come in rock? Is he rock? Is he dance? Is he pop? Yes, he's reggae, but in terms of rock, what is he? Nothing, music is not divisional, there are many crossovers and dividing rock music in particular would be a very bad mood, especially on this forum.
Point 2: Lists need a point. If I made a list of my favourite brands of condoms to a 6-year-old and didn't tell him why I needed this list, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't look up at me and say, "You know what, I don't fully understand what this list means, or what purpose it serves, but you know, thanks for the list you just gave me," my opinion is you're trying to fulfill the role of 'Listmeister' a bit too pretentiously.
Point 3: This is a forum of free-speech, and you're entitled to that free-speech, but now you're just talking out of your shitter mate.
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