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- #21
- Posted: 03/03/2013 17:25
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On a slightly unrelated note to the argument at hand, could we get some sort of function to tell us what nation the flags by peoples names are from? Perhaps scrolling over them will reveal the nation's name, or have it posted in text on the person's profile page, or something. I swear I'm not a full on geographic retard, I'm just not familiar with flags outside of western Europe.
And back to the argument at hand, I'm all for the great nation of Texas having it's own artists. Screw the other states.
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junodog4
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- #22
- Posted: 03/03/2013 21:29
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| RFNAPLES wrote: | | Nothing is difficult if you accept your definition that Scotland and England are different nations. I don't accept it. Currently they are one nation: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are not sovereign states; the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a sovereign state. |
The answer is in your post - Scotland is absolutely a nation. It is not a sovereign state. If we base charts on nations, Scotland should have it's own entry. If we base it on sovereignty, we should not.
Don't argue the definition of nation. You're wrong. Your point is about sovereign states.
Funny thing is, I agree with Naples base sentiment. If we open it up to Scotland, do we need a chart for the Basques? How about Quebec? Maybe we should limit it to sovereign states...?
I'm not really hung up about this either way.
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- #23
- Posted: 03/03/2013 21:30
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I think it's fine the way it is but I really don't care either way.
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RFNAPLES
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- #24
- Posted: 03/03/2013 22:49
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| RFNAPLES wrote: | | England, Scotland, and Wales are not UN member or observer states. Just because one is proud of their ancestral heritage does not make a sovereign state. Canada and United States were once UK but are now sovereign states. Perhaps one day England, Scotland, and Wales will gain such recognition. |
They are NOT members of the United Nations. They are not sovereign states. They are not nations.
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L Lawliet
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- #25
- Posted: 03/03/2013 22:55
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They are not sovereign states.
They are nations, a nation is a group of people who share a common language, ethnicity, culture etc etc.
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HigherThanTheSun
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- #26
- Posted: 03/03/2013 22:59
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Naples, wikipedia will not be able to give you a good grasp on the issue of nationality in the UK.
To the original question, I don't actually think it's necessary. I'm not against it but I don't think it's really that important either, if you want to know more specifically where an artist is from then you can look it up somewhere else.
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GeevyDallas
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- #27
- Posted: 03/03/2013 23:02
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| HigherThanTheSun wrote: | Naples, wikipedia will not be able to give you a good grasp on the issue of nationality in the UK.
To the original question, I don't actually think it's necessary. I'm not against it but I don't think it's really that important either, if you want to know more specifically where an artist is from then you can look it up somewhere else. |
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junodog4
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- #28
- Posted: 03/03/2013 23:04
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| RFNAPLES wrote: | | They are NOT members of the United Nations. They are not sovereign states. They are not nations. |
Use that all you like. The UN is actually improperly named, given it's purpose.
A nation is a group of people with shared culture, language, etc... They don't need a government or borders. Essentially, they don't need sovereignty.
Can't you ever concede something?  I actually did agree with your main point.
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Kiki
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- #29
- Posted: 03/03/2013 23:05
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While not putting myself on either side, I would like to point out the answer of such an arguement will matter greatly in future. There is bound to be a little less nation states by the end of the future and some states will have much different nationalities than what Scotland and England share right now. 
However, we could have a few decades pass until such a thing is worth noting.
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RFNAPLES
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- #30
- Posted: 03/03/2013 23:11
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| Shaco wrote: | They are not sovereign states.
They are nations, a nation is a group of people who share a common language, ethnicity, culture etc etc. |
Ask your PM or Queen. They are not recognized as nations by the United Nations or the National Olympic Committee. Yes they may be or have been an ethnic group, but not currently a nation. I think the UN and NOC might have dealt with this issue more than the BEA.
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