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paladisiac
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Location: Denver

RFNAPLES wrote:

No, they should be taught how to fish

I'm just fine with with teaching people skills needed to self-provide. That's an awesome idea. But how can they be taught to fish when public education isn't fully-funded and republicans head off any funding? When they strip benefits and bargaining rights from teachers' unions? Public education teachers aren't paid that great as it is.

Let's put more money into kids' education and less money into million dollar tanks and then you'll start to see a turnaround in graduates' skills and less need for public assistance later. It's easy to talk cliches, but it's time to put the fish mouth where the worm is, in the apple on the underfunded public education teacher's desk.
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HigherThanTheSun

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Location: UK

RFNAPLES wrote:

Teach them to fish or when we run out of other people's money they will starve

Only I bet you don't support subsidised higher education and are comfortable with the fact that most people who are poor now were born poor whilst most rich people were born rich.

No I get it, it's their fault they're poor.
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RFNAPLES
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Age: 75
Location: Durham, NC, USA

HigherThanTheSun wrote:

Only I bet you don't support subsidised higher education and are comfortable with the fact that most people who are poor now were born poor whilst most rich people were born rich.

No I get it, it's their fault they're poor.

I support subsidized education. In the USA it is provided by public schools (grade, community and state).

Often it is their fault but not always (e.g. mental and physical illness). Sometimes they are also the victims of well-intended but faulty socialist programs.

Teach them to fish.
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RFNAPLES
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Gender: Male
Age: 75
Location: Durham, NC, USA

20th Century Man
Written by: Ray Davies
Published by: Davray Music Ltd.

Lyrics:

This is the age of machinery,
A mechanical nightmare,
The wonderful world of technology,
Napalm, hydrogen bombs, biological warfare,

This is the twentieth century,
But too much aggravation
It's the age of insanity,
What has become of the green pleasant fields of Jerusalem.

Ain't got no ambition, I'm just disillusioned
I'm a twentieth century man but I don't wanna be here.
My mama said she can't understand me
She can't see my motivation
Just give me some security,
I'm a paranoid schizoid product of the twentieth century.

You keep all your smart modern writers
Give me William Shakespeare
You keep all your smart modern painters
I'll take Rembrandt, Titian, Da Vinci and Gainsborough,

Girl we gotta get out of here
We gotta find a solution
I'm a twentieth century man but I don't want
I don't want to die here

Girl we gotta get out of here
We gotta find a solution
I'm a twentieth century man but I don't want
I don't want to be here

I was born in a welfare state
Ruled by bureaucracy
Controlled by civil servants
And people dressed in grey
Got no privacy, got no liberty
Cos the twentieth century people
Took it all away from me.

Don't wanna get myself shot down
By some trigger happy policeman,
Gotta keep a hold on my sanity
I'm a twentieth century man but I don't wanna die here.

My mama says she can't understand me
She can't see my motivation
Ain't got no security,
I'm a twentieth century man but I don't wanna be here.

This is the twentieth century
But too much aggravation
This is the edge of insanity
I'm a twentieth century man but I don't wanna be here.
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paladisiac
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Location: Denver

For a well-thought out narrative on what this decision means, i recommend this site:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/P...tml#item-1

His answers are often quite matter-of-fact and not politically charged like a lot of other sites (fox & msnbc, anyone?).

One takeaway: all this "repeal and replace" nonsense won't and really can't amount to anything.
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Romanelli
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Location: Broomfield, Colorado

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RFNAPLES wrote:

I support subsidized education. In the USA it is provided by public schools (grade, community and state).

Often it is their fault but not always (e.g. mental and physical illness). Sometimes they are also the victims of well-intended but faulty socialist programs.

Teach them to fish.

Um...have you seen a public school lately?

Public schools in the US have been almost completely gutted of funding by the government. Too many students in one class for one grossly underpaid and underfunded teacher to pay any kind of individual attention to. Almost every program that favors the student or the teacher has been eliminated. Students pay ridiculous amounts for crappy school lunches, and students who ride busses have to PAY FOR IT because the public school systems can't afford to otherwise keep their old, unsafe and outdated busses on the roads anymore. Students are learning less and less in public schools, and it is becoming more expensive for the parents, many of whom can't afford it. Students are graduating from high school with little to no reading comprehension, the ability to read at all, no ability to spell, perform basic math functions, and now with programs being cut, no foreign language or musical skills.

And here's a nice one for ya...in California in the 70's, a study was done on grade school test scores. Not to determine what improvements needed to be made in the schools, but to determine HOW MANY PROSONS TO BUILD IN THE NEXT 25 YEARS.

Teach yourself to fish. Teach our children to read. Ignorance like yours about the state of our education system is why we have such a big problem in the first place.
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junodog4
Future Grumpy Old Man

Gender: Male
Location: Calgary

Romanelli wrote:

Um...have you seen a public school lately?

Public schools in the US have been almost completely gutted of funding by the government. Too many students in one class for one grossly underpaid and underfunded teacher to pay any kind of individual attention to. Almost every program that favors the student or the teacher has been eliminated. Students pay ridiculous amounts for crappy school lunches, and students who ride busses have to PAY FOR IT because the public school systems can't afford to otherwise keep their old, unsafe and outdated busses on the roads anymore. Students are learning less and less in public schools, and it is becoming more expensive for the parents, many of whom can't afford it. Students are graduating from high school with little to no reading comprehension, the ability to read at all, no ability to spell, perform basic math functions, and now with programs being cut, no foreign language or musical skills.

And here's a nice one for ya...in California in the 70's, a study was done on grade school test scores. Not to determine what improvements needed to be made in the schools, but to determine HOW MANY PROSONS TO BUILD IN THE NEXT 25 YEARS.

Teach yourself to fish. Teach our children to read. Ignorance like yours about the state of our education system is why we have such a big problem in the first place.

Do you think the decline in public education might lead to students lacking proper communication skills? They may be unable to articulate their opinion in civilized debate without being vague and evasive, relying on youtube clips and political cartoons, or grasping at semantics to salvage stubborn pride. Perhaps? Wink

RFNAPLES
Level 8

Gender: Male
Age: 75
Location: Durham, NC, USA

Romanelli wrote:

Um...have you seen a public school lately?

Public schools in the US have been almost completely gutted of funding by the government. Too many students in one class for one grossly underpaid and underfunded teacher to pay any kind of individual attention to. Almost every program that favors the student or the teacher has been eliminated. Students pay ridiculous amounts for crappy school lunches, and students who ride busses have to PAY FOR IT because the public school systems can't afford to otherwise keep their old, unsafe and outdated busses on the roads anymore. Students are learning less and less in public schools, and it is becoming more expensive for the parents, many of whom can't afford it. Students are graduating from high school with little to no reading comprehension, the ability to read at all, no ability to spell, perform basic math functions, and now with programs being cut, no foreign language or musical skills.

And here's a nice one for ya...in California in the 70's, a study was done on grade school test scores. Not to determine what improvements needed to be made in the schools, but to determine HOW MANY PROSONS TO BUILD IN THE NEXT 25 YEARS.

Teach yourself to fish. Teach our children to read. Ignorance like yours about the state of our education system is why we have such a big problem in the first place.

Leave your burning state and move to a red one or go north.
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paladisiac
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RFNAPLES
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