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  • Posted: 01/26/2012 23:38
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an_outlaw wrote:
Seems as though I missed all this. How is it going down here? I hear there was a fuss over the acts in the title.

To the above question, I would first have to learn how these acts differ from that SOPA. What can ACTA do in a nutshell?


Ok, well, SOPA more or less affects the United States, while ACTA affects the general EU.

FIRST OFF, we can all calm down a little, ACTA has NOT been signed yet. It's still in the process of being drafted.

Now, I'm sure you know what SOPA does. What does ACTA do?
...well, that's the thing. We aren't totally sure. It's been INCREDIBLY secretive, and the lobbyists are not allowing the draft copies to leak so we don't actually know what it will do, just that it will affect internet rights within the EU.
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Well it's been signed by 22 EU countries including Slovenia. Don't know about USA, but it seems logical (?)
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So as long as it isn't like SOPA and contain a massive hole, people are fine as long as they don't do what they are not supposed to?

I guess it is what they define as what your not supposed to do which is the problem. They might have different ideas about it to other people. Think
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  • Posted: 01/27/2012 00:54
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A part of the polish parliament resist the ACTA
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an_outlaw wrote:
So as long as it isn't like SOPA and contain a massive hole, people are fine as long as they don't do what they are not supposed to?

I guess it is what they define as what your not supposed to do which is the problem. They might have different ideas about it to other people. :-k


.............wut.

I felt like I was just reading a whole other language.

C-could you try rephrasing what you just said? Your use of double negatives and run-ons is very confusing.
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19loveless91 wrote:
A part of the polish parliament resist the ACTA




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White House bypasses Senate to ink agreement that could allow Chinese companies to demand ISPs remove web content in US with no legal oversight




Months before the debate about Internet censorship raged as SOPA and PIPA dominated the concerns of web users, President Obama signed an international treaty that would allow companies in China or any other country in the world to demand ISPs remove web content in the US with no legal oversight whatsoever.


The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement was signed by Obama on October 1 2011, yet is currently the subject of a White House petition demanding Senators be forced to ratify the treaty. The White House has circumvented the necessity to have the treaty confirmed by lawmakers by presenting it an as "executive agreement," although legal scholars have highlighted the dubious nature of this characterization.

The hacktivist group Anonymous attacked and took offline the Federal Trade Commission's website yesterday in protest against the treaty, which was also the subject of demonstrations across major cities in Poland, a country set to sign the agreement today.

Under the provisions of ACTA, copyright holders will be granted sweeping direct powers to demand ISPs remove material from the Internet on a whim. Whereas ISPs normally are only forced to remove content after a court order, all legal oversight will be abolished, a precedent that will apply globally, rendering the treaty worse in its potential scope for abuse than SOPA or PIPA.

A country known for its enforcement of harsh Internet censorship policies like China could demand under the treaty that an ISP in the United States remove content or terminate a website on its server altogether. As we have seen from the enforcement of similar copyright policies in the US, websites are sometimes targeted for no justifiable reason.

The groups pushing the treaty also want to empower copyright holders with the ability to demand that users who violate intellectual property rights (with no legal process) have their Internet connections terminated, a punishment that could only ever be properly enforced by the creation of an individual Internet ID card for every web user, a system that is already in the works.

"The same industry rightsholder groups that support the creation of ACTA have also called for mandatory network-level filtering by Internet Service Providers and for Internet Service Providers to terminate citizens' Internet connection on repeat allegation of copyright infringement (the "Three Strikes" /Graduated Response) so there is reason to believe that ACTA will seek to increase intermediary liability and require these things of Internet Service Providers," reports the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

The treaty will also mandate that ISPs disclose personal user information to the copyright holder, while providing authorities across the globe with broader powers to search laptops and Internet-capable devices at border checkpoints.

In presenting ACTA as an "international agreement" rather than a treaty, the Obama administration managed to circumvent the legislative process and avoid having to get Senate approval, a method questioned by Senator Wyden.

"That said, even if Obama has declared ACTA an executive agreement (while those in Europe insist that it's a binding treaty), there is a very real Constitutional question here: can it actually be an executive agreement?" asks TechDirt. "The law is clear that the only things that can be covered by executive agreements are things that involve items that are solely under the President's mandate. That is, you can't sign an executive agreement that impacts the things Congress has control over. But here's the thing: intellectual property, in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, is an issue given to Congress, not the President. Thus, there's a pretty strong argument that the president legally cannot sign any intellectual property agreements as an executive agreement and, instead, must submit them to the Senate.".

26 European Union member states along with the EU itself are set to sign the treaty at a ceremony today in Tokyo. Other countries wishing to sign the agreement have until May 2013 to do so.

Critics are urging those concerned about Obama's decision to sign the document with no legislative oversight to demand the Senate be forced to ratify the treaty.





Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA 1/2

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Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA 2/2

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  • Posted: 01/27/2012 16:11
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ACTA has been signed in complete discretion, away from the public eye. Kader Arif, the European Parliament's rapporteur for ACTA has quit his position in protest

Kader Arif wrote:
”I want to denounce in the strongest possible manner the entire process that led to the signature of this agreement: no inclusion of civil society organisations, a lack of transparency from the start of the negotiations, repeated postponing of the signature of the text without an explanation being ever given, exclusion of the EU Parliament’s demands that were expressed on several occasions in our assembly.”

“As rapporteur of this text, I have faced never-before-seen manoeuvres from the right wing of this Parliament to impose a rushed calendar before public opinion could be alerted, thus depriving the Parliament of its right to expression and of the tools at its disposal to convey citizens’ legitimate demands.”

“Everyone knows the ACTA agreement is problematic, whether it is its impact on civil liberties, the way it makes Internet access providers liable, its consequences on generic drugs manufacturing, or how little protection it gives to our geographical indications.”

“This agreement might have major consequences on citizens’ lives, and still, everything is being done to prevent the European Parliament from having its say in this matter. That is why today, as I release this report for which I was in charge, I want to send a strong signal and alert the public opinion about this unacceptable situation. I will not take part in this mascarade.”

( http://falkvinge.net/2012/01/26/eu-acta...ext-steps/)

One of the Slovenian members of the Parliament who was among those that signed the bill issued a short (unofficial) statement over the web, sounding almost a bit apologetic (saying "ACTA still has to be ratified, nothing is lost, EP is having another discussion on the matter)

This is some serious shit... It's not even so much the content of ACTA, but the way this is all happening away from the public, without anyone being informed about it... Disgusting
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people can agree whatever they want in private, but enforcing it will be impossible as one jurisdiction will not be able to control the entire internet. Good luck to them trying to police over 500 million different websites!
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I reckon we'll see a whole lot more proxies popping up.
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