World War 2

[Jackwc]

Ok, this is getting its own thread, because it's cluttering up that other thread.

Vegetable Man seems to think the British didn't defeat the Nazis, despite that they totally did. Or maybe he just doesn't think they had an equal part, despite that they totally also did. Maybe he's joking, I dunno, but I'm just kinda sick of a certain astoundingly large group of Americans trying to take sole credit for winning the world wars.

Discuss.
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[HigherThanTheSun]

[Polythene Pam]

Vegetable man speaks the truth, the illuimanti just covered it up


GOD GUYS LEARN YOU HISTORY!

[alelsupreme]

Veg obviously doesn't know his history, implying he did bad in history class.

Gary often complained about school, inferring he didn't do very well.

Just saying.

EDIT: Holy shit I got the 7,000th post in this section of the site.

[CellarDoor]

*ignores thread*

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[BlueNote]

Sharing ULTRA with the ol' US of A would be enough, by itself, for the UK to earn an equal place amongst the big three of the Allies. Of course, the did a lot more than that and were fighting for may more years than the US.

Veggie doesn't know what he is talking about.

[RFNAPLES]

On June 6, 1944, Allied troops landed on the beaches of Normandy and turned the tides of World War II.
http://www.history.com/shows/america-th...y-invasion
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[HigherThanTheSun]

D day huh? Never heard of it. Thanks for the education Naples.





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[junodog4]

Last I checked, D-Day was 2 American landing beaches (Omaha + Utah), 2 British (Gold & Sword), and 1 Canadian (Juno). So... I don't see how this gives extra credit to America or takes away from the UK.

[vegetable man]

Consider the fact that there were around 100,000 total casualties during the D-Day invasion on the western front. That is a lot, but nothing when you compare it to the eastern front.



WWII was decided on the EASTERN FRONT and at Stalingrad in particular



The Battle of Stalingrad was a major and decisive battle of World War II in which Nazi Germany and its allies fought the Soviet Union for control of the city of Stalingrad (now Volgograd) in southwestern Russia. The battle took place between 23 August 1942 to 2 February 1943[6][7][8][9] and was the largest battle on the Eastern Front, marked by brutality and disregard for military and civilian casualties. It is among the bloodiest battles in the history of warfare, with the higher estimates of combined casualties amounting to nearly two million . The heavy losses inflicted on the German army made it a significant turning point in the whole war.[10] After the Battle of Stalingrad, German forces never recovered their earlier strength, and attained no further strategic victories in the East.[11]

The German offensive to capture Stalingrad commenced in late summer 1942, and was supported by intensive Luftwaffe bombing which reduced much of the city to rubble. The German offensive eventually became mired in building-to-building fighting; and despite controlling nearly all of the city at times, the Wehrmacht was unable to dislodge the last Soviet defenders clinging tenaciously to the west bank of the Volga River.

On 19 November 1942, the Red Army launched Operation Uranus, a two-pronged attack targeting the weak Romanian and Hungarian forces protecting the 6th Army's flanks.[12] After heavy fighting, the weakly held Axis flanks collapsed and the 6th Army was cut off and surrounded inside Stalingrad. As the Russian winter set in, the 6th Army weakened rapidly from cold, starvation and ongoing Soviet attacks. Command ambiguity coupled with Adolf Hitler's resolute belief in their will to fight further exacerbated the German predicament. Eventually, the failure of outside German forces to break the encirclement, coupled with the failure of resupplying by air, led to the final collapse. By the beginning of February 1943, Axis resistance in Stalingrad had ceased and the remaining elements of the 6th Army had either surrendered or been destroyed




Belligerents

Germany
Romania
Italy
Hungary
Croatia


vs.


Soviet Union





Casualties



Various scholars have estimated the Axis suffered from 500,000 to 850,000 casualties (killed, wounded, captured) among all branches of the German armed forces and its allies, many of them POWs who died in Soviet captivity between 1943 and 1955. Of the 91,000 German POWs taken at Stalingrad, 27,000 died within weeks[53]:p.396 and only 5-6,000 returned to Germany by 1955. The remainder of the POWs died in Soviet captivity.[54]:p.196[55]:p.36

On 2 February 1943, the resistance of all Axis troops in Stalingrad ceased. Out of the 91,000 prisoners taken by the Soviets, 3,000 were Romanian. These were the survivors of the 20th Infantry Division, 1st Cavalry Division and "Colonel Voicu" Detachement.

According to archival figures, the Red Army suffered a total of 1,129,619 total casualties;[56] 478,741 men killed or missing and 650,878 wounded. These numbers are for the whole Stalingrad area; in the city itself 750,000 were killed, captured, or wounded.

The Soviet authorities executed approximately 13,500 Soviet soldiers during the battle[citation needed], equivalent to almost two rifle divisions. Also, anywhere from 25,000 to 40,000 Soviet civilians died in Stalingrad and its suburbs during a single week of aerial bombing as the German 4th Panzer and 6th Armies approached the city;[57] the total number of civilians killed in the regions outside the city is unknown.

In all, the battle resulted in an estimated total of 1.7-2 million Axis and Soviet casualties.

Did these people die in vain?

Not in my world.
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