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alelsupreme
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Age: 27
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- Posted: 08/27/2012 10:32
- Post subject: Anders Behring Breivik
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Am i the only one who think Ander's sentencing was way too lax? I know Norway is more about rehabillitation than punishment, but c'mon!: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19354906
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- #2
- Posted: 08/27/2012 10:43
- Post subject: Re: Anders Behring Breivik
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Yeah, but surely he'll serve life. How can they let him out? The 21 years quoted will be a minimum I assume.
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TracyJacks
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- Posted: 08/27/2012 14:56
- Post subject: Re: Anders Behring Breivik
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21 years are the maximum years of punishment according to norwegian law.
A retrospective law (ex tunc) is strictly forbidden I think all around Europe, so the law which was in effect on the day of the crime must be used for Breivik's case. And that says that 21 years prisonment is the maximum punishment.
There will be sure many changes in the norwegian Criminal Law after this case...
But if someone is such a fanatic as he is, not even a death pentaly can do anything against a crime like this.
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HigherThanTheSun
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Age: 33
Location: UK
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- Posted: 08/27/2012 16:02
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Depends whether you see prison as a deterrent or as a punishment.
If Breivik knew he would spend his life behind bars instead of 21 years would he still have done what he did? Probably, yes.
No punishment would equal what he did so don't bother trying. The law should aim to tackle crime not seek revenge after an event.
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CellarDoor
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Age: 38
Location: Marseille
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- Posted: 08/27/2012 17:40
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It must have been a nightmare for the judge (who probably still can't sleep at night).
He has to decide :
1 - Breivik isn't crazy and has to go to prison for "deviant ideas"
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2 - Breivik is crazy and has to go to a psychiatric institution for "delirious ideas"
Now if Breivik IS crazy (at least one psychiatric expertise diagnosed paranoid schizophrenia, which has very strict criteria) and has been sent to prison, the judge has sent a sick man to be punished (instead of seeking treatment).
And if Breivik ISN'T crazy and has been sent to prison, the judge believes that Breivik was "sane of mind" when killing 77 people because of extremist ideas...
Terrifying position really and a tragedy for all the families.
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junodog4
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Location: Calgary
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- Posted: 08/27/2012 22:50
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In this case, Brevik might have prefered death...
He would see himself as a martyr.
He would avoid sitting in a cell, bored to death for 21 years.
There is no chance of rehabilitation, something he would find abhorrent.
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Bork
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Location: Vinson Mountain, GA
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- Posted: 08/28/2012 00:19
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He got the maximum penalty and there isn't likely to be any changes whatsoever to Norwegian law because of this particular trial. For the judge it was probably a fairly easy decision. The psychiatric valuation, despite some opinion to the contrary (which is the norm), came back sane. Maximum penalty it shall have to be.
As has been hinted at, the legal system doesn't make any difference at all in preventing something like this from happening. It is rather an effect of the anonymization and individualization of society which makes it possible for someone to plan and go through with a sick thing like this without meeting with a big enough hiccup along the way.
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RFNAPLES
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Location: Durham, NC, USA
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Bork
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Location: Vinson Mountain, GA
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- Posted: 08/28/2012 11:01
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| RFNAPLES wrote: | | It's a good thing that they had strong gun control regulations too. |
As usual your fundamentalism makes you unable to understand basic concepts. The US still has more than ten times gun-related homicide than Norway. Availability increases the risk of it happening which is why sensible debate on the issue is needed rather than hysterical trench-digging.
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