Anders Behring Breivik - Politics & Religion

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RFNAPLES
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Location: Durham, NC, USA

Bork wrote:

As has been hinted at, the legal system doesn't make any difference at all in preventing something like this from happening.

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Bork
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RFNAPLES wrote:

In reference to whether the penalty was hard enough or not. Everyone else understood that part.

RFNAPLES
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Bork wrote:

In reference to whether the penalty was hard enough or not. Everyone else understood that part.

So what are you saying? The legal system does make a difference in preventing something like this from happening?
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Norman Bates

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CellarDoor wrote:

It must have been a nightmare for the judge (who probably still can't sleep at night).

He has to decide :

1 - Breivik isn't crazy and has to go to prison for "deviant ideas"

Not for killing people?

CellarDoor
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Norman Bates wrote:

Not for killing people?

He killed people in both cases.

You can kill people and end up in an asylum or in prison depending on the circumstances.
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Bork
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Location: Vinson Mountain, GA

RFNAPLES wrote:

So what are you saying? The legal system does make a difference in preventing something like this from happening?

I am saying that whether the penalty for it is death, 21 years in prison, or a two week vacation to North Carolina doesn't make a difference. Whether the perpetrator can or can not get hold of the required weaponry does.

I apologize for getting you confused.

RFNAPLES
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Bork wrote:

I am saying that whether the penalty for it is death, 21 years in prison, or a two week vacation to North Carolina doesn't make a difference. Whether the perpetrator can or can not get hold of the required weaponry does.

So you think stricter gun control laws will prevent ownership and murder but the penalty for same doesn't matter?
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Necharsian
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RFNAPLES wrote:

So you think stricter gun control laws will prevent ownership and murder but the penalty for same doesn't matter?

Youre thinking of this as a sane person. Breivik knew he would get caught. When you're that motivated to kill that many people, sentencing for the crime is a non factor. The threat of life in prison was never going to stop him because escaping was never part of his plan.

Bork
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Location: Vinson Mountain, GA

RFNAPLES wrote:

So you think stricter gun control laws will prevent ownership and murder but the penalty for same doesn't matter?

It might not have done any difference whatsoever in this particular case but in general yes. I believe we will be able to agree that if there are no guns, legal or illegal, there will be no gun related crimes. We may be able to agree that there is also some correlation between the ease with which one can get hold of guns and the amount of gun related crimes, although it is obviously not a perfect correlation as other matters also influence it. If we can agree that far then the question is whether that extra crime is a price worth paying for the right to bear arms with no or limited control or not. That is a political question where there is no right or wrong. If we can't agree that far it could be for one of two reasons: either there isn't enough evidence to show that this is the case or one party is in denial (or hasn't bothered to check) about the facts.