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HigherThanTheSun
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lethalnezzle wrote:
The term "hipster" is fucking stupid. I get accused of being a hipster regularly (although not on here, thankfully). I have friends who are even more regularly and damningly labelled with the term. It means fuck all. People like what they like. If the shit they like is cooler (or, as is more likely, more obscure) than the shit you like, I'm sorry, but don't deride them for being a "hipster". Enjoy what you listen to, wear what you want, converse with like-minded people. Stop worrying about what's so cool and start attempting to bring about the long-overdue downfall of Kasabian.


I dunno man, yes and no. I think alot of people get unfairly called hipster when they're just doing what they want to do. Then again there's shit loads of people who do the things they do because they think it's cool and it's part of their image. But yeah generally I find a so called hipster less annoying than the people who go round calling other people hipsters.

lethalnezzle wrote:
Stop worrying about what's so cool

Isn't that what being a true hipster is all about though? You know, disowning a band once they become mainstream or whatever, paying more attention to giving people an impression than being honest with yourself?
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purple wrote:
extrapolating cultures across time based solely on some similar behaviors (e.g. thinking it was cool before it was cool) is unsound. Cultures are formed as a reaction against historical or current cultures. The culture that the Stooges were born in and played for is more violent, more honest, more singular in purpose, and less concerned with fashion than hipster culture. Hipsters may have appropriated punk music and punk fashion but they have not appropriated punk, especially the violence. And, music is appropriated by many cultures. Yes, hipsters like the Stooges, but so do many metalheads. Couldn't they be a metalhead-band? I think it's strange to call a band by the culture that is currently appropriating it (especially when several cultures are currently appropriating it), rather than the culture it was formed in. The Stooges are punk, not hipster. I'm also well aware of the Stooges influences across all decades, thanx Mr. Green

At least, hipsters are a distinctly post-Nevermind-the-Bollocks phenomenon, and at most a post-Nirvana phenomenon. So there are few bands formed after those that I'll give to you, but your list includes few. I think a key aspect of "being a hipster band" means consciously drawing from fringe influences to be "cool". AnCo does this sometimes; but most of the other bands on your list are "trailblazers" or genuinely authentic. The only fringe they could pull from at the time they were making music was in literature, John Cage etc, or each other... and none of those things were "cool" then. Ultimately, I think it's strange to call a band by the culture that is currently appropriating it (especially when several cultures are currently appropriating it), rather than the culture it was formed in.

I'm a hipster because I'm a perfect specimen of '00s inauthenticity. Lastly, you pulled the age card by mentioning it douche, and you don't know what you're talking about. Sounded angry, is not Mr. Green


Actually, I don't really care all that much, but it's kind of amusing to me that you do. Razz I'll just explain my reasoning one more time: hipster comes from the word "hip," so that's how I define the concept, and the list I made was bands who are or were considered "hip" at one time, but have gone on to be widely accepted and promoted in some way or another. (Come to think about it, some of the inclusions on my list never went mainstream, but they are considered "hip.") Think You can use the Wikipedia definition or whatever the accepted nomenclature is now if you want. I was merely trying to make a larger point, of which people missed, misunderstood, or flat out ignored because of the negative connotations of the word, "hipster," and their unwillingness to accept that some band they worship might also be associated with a movement they don't like. Remember: I was responding to the LA Weekly list which was intended to ruffle people's feathers. . I don't think LA Weekly writers should have used that term, but they were self-consciously trying to be controversial or provocative as was I (to make a point). I think their list would have made more sense if it was exploring what indie rock has become and what it is in its current state, but it is much more controversial and remarkable to attack an identity and way of life than just a form of music.

Ultimately, Lethal Nezzle is right though. "Hipster," in the end, is just a label. It can means everything and nothing, but ultimately, it only has meaning if you give it meaning. I really couldn't care less. I'm past that stage of my life. Cool
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