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Allabaster
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  • Posted: 04/02/2016 01:55
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Perhaps a purism that disputes your right to adopt a label is less offensive than one that disputes your right to make music of your choosing. But then an artist seldom chooses their own labels, so where's the beef?
cestuneblague
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  • Posted: 04/02/2016 02:56
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You know I always thought Satie was somebody's puppet account, but his meta-am-i-sarcastic-or-am-ironically-anti-sarcastic schtick basically felt like a see-through mask that actually revelead far more about the member underneath than I think was intended.


I donno, to be quite honest I see both Purism vs Tokenism in music often (though not all the time) as a form of insecurity, and for some reason I find tokenism more forgiving. I think if perhaps sometimes one may personally overrate a certain "token" favorite from a particular genre to make their overall taste seem a bit more expansive, I think that's not really hurting anything and if it actually leads them to look into a particular style of music they hitherto haven't heard that much than I think it actually accomplishes something worthwhile. Now Purism I just find kind of irksome, mainly cuz it both kills discussion and in many ways the creative genius and is often perpretated by those who claim to want to accomplish the exact opposite. BUt also cause it can breed that kind of Superiority Complex, the sort of know-it-all Expert On All Things who deems not only what music is worthy to be considered worthwhile towards a particular realm of music but also what personal music tastes are "good" or "bad", "authentic" or "brainwashed by the Pitchfork masses"- despite the fact that both music taste and what makes a particular work of art worthwhile is a completely abstract, subjective concept. When I see people picking on people's taste or decided whether a work is authentic or not, I just find that a form of bullying that's masking a certain insecurity about how they evaulate their own taste and the fruitless quest to find what is truly the "best" music out there (when it should be just about discussing and savoring what our personal favorites are). I donno this kind of goes beyond simple tokenism v purism so whatever 7.5 generally favorable reviews.
cestuneblague
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  • Posted: 04/02/2016 03:00
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Satie wrote:
going down the top of the 2010s chart here, the following are hot garbage indie folk and hot garbage indie folk-adjacent:

Arcade Fire
The National
Tame Impala
Bon Iver
Vampire Weekend
Fleet Foxes (FJM is somehow even worse, creating a unique nadir of music that deserves documentation as the absolute lowest stratigraphic threshold of artistic creation)
Sun Kil Moon
The Black Keys
Sufjan Stevens
Arctic Monkeys
The War on Drugs
The Tallest Man on Earth
Jack White

and that's not even to mention the disturbing trends of non-experimental experimental schlock, retro electropop, and plodding hip hop with no energy or sound design that round out the majority of the Top 50 here.


I dislike a good number of those bands and yet do really enjoy a couple, HOW CAN I BE EVALUATED AND VALIDATED AS A SO-CALLED MUSIC FAN!!!
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