Do you listen to music that disagrees with your beliefs?
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Spyglass
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RoundTheBend
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- Posted: 09/07/2020 17:36
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| LedZep wrote: | | Beck is not a member of Scientology anymore (at least he claims so), and Slayer is not a very satanic band tbh. But great write up, I appreciate your thoughts on this even if I don't agree with everything said. |
Thanks!
And yeah there's a lot of back and forth on Beck. I'm glad he's recently coming and saying, yo, there's a difference between me and Cruise. I have cultural ties to it - my ex-wife, my father, the school I went to, etc. - I read this big Scientology conspiracy theory on him and how he killed someone and covered it up using his power at Scientology and stuff - it's pretty intense-insane, and I guess all I'm saying is even if it were true, I'd still listen to his music. It's great music in my book, so basically anything dude ever did ever wouldn't detract from his music... unless of course his music was his bad thing - like he started singing about getting away with murder... and even if he did, I'd likely not listen to that song.
And you are right - Slayer is probably a little more in the Rob Zombie camp (or likely more like Rob Zombie is in the Slayer camp) of just doing things to incite people. Their pentagram symbology and lyrics at the time were pretty satanic, but truly believing satanists, it sounds like they were not. Satanism is kind of difficult to label tbh because it can take many different forms from both the practitioner and then it's interpretation by the observer. But I agree with you Slayer is not the most satanic music ever written.
Also I'm more curious than anything (not looking to start an argument, rather a discussion) on which points you disagree with. If PM makes more sense, I'm down.
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RoundTheBend
I miss the comfort in being sad
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- Posted: 09/07/2020 17:46
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| Skinny wrote: | I listen to lots of rappers whose lyrics - and, with them, their entire professional personas - are extremely capitalistic, homophobic, misogynistic, and often antisemitic. It goes without saying that these are all things I fundamentally disagree with, and call out frequently in real life. I haven't really figured out how to reconcile these two facts, and have essentially given up trying at this point. I am an adult whose own education and forthright belief system allows me to enjoy their music without being influenced by, or agreeing with, its messages. I understand that younger, less informed, more malleable minds might not be able to do so, and this worries me, especially in my position as an educator.
I don't have any great conclusions to draw, nor do I have the motivation to pick at that particular scab. |
I feel like this is a great representation on how you can appreciate something, even love something, that doesn't represent your own ideals. Which as an educated person is key. Being able to see the world through someone else's eyes and all. I mean of course there's going to be things you don't engage with, but can understand, which I think makes the world a better place, to be honest. The more we can appreciate opposing views the more you can grow up to be a push over like me... I mean... uh understand people and not murder them.
To be honest for a while I couldn't get into Kendrick when he first blew up because I was like why is this guy into his dick so much. I don't think I heard any other rapper rap so much about his dick. It turned me off. But then I listened to For Free? with new ears and realized he was talking as much about racism/being a black man more than he was about his dick, although it was mentioned often. Once I understood the context (at least for that track), it switched from, dude, can you like focus on something else besides your dick, to wow, that was a really powerful track.
Perspective is key. Context is key.
Ok - I like philosophy a bit/or philosophical conversations/thinking out loud, even if I suck at it, so I apologize. I'll shut up now.
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Spyglass
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- Posted: 09/07/2020 17:50
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There aren't very many real satanists in music. Even Euronymous was a bit of a bullshitter for attention's sake. With Mayhem, he wasn't trying to start a cult, just a cult act. I'll even listen to King Diamond's music. He's not a traditional "satanist," just a guy who believes the devil was a fictional figure who's misunderstood and actually stands for morality. As a Christian, I do have a problem with that belief, but I think there's a huge difference if he's not a "believer."
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