Awesome! Thanks so much! When you shared that Thundersteel album I remembered I did hear that years ago once and remember thinking it was pretty cool. I’ll give that another listen asap.
When I was a wee lad of 12 and was trying to explore metal, well it was 2001 so Iced Earth was all the rage in some metal mags I read. I think I bought Something Wicked This Way Comes and as of 2001-2002 I thought that was pretty good. So now I’m remembering stuff that I liked. Turns out it’s not a barren wasteland of a genre in terms of my enjoyment.
Gonna get to some of those recommendations. Again, thanks. _________________ -Ryan
I can never confidently call Melvins a metal band is why I don't often mention them. Were they influential toward sludge metal, drone metal, etc. Yeah, sure. But so was Black Flag but they were definitely never metal by my metrics. The majority of their discography in the 80s were punk/grunge/etc. records and you are asking who are the most influential METAL BANDS of the 80s not the most influential BANDS TO METAL in the 80s.
I blame Mercury!!! lol. He got us off track with Black Flag! lol.
But, yeah. When I make MY lists, I split this kind of stuff into two branches => Metal & Punk. And you're totally right. Melvins, Black Flag and Discharge are all in the Punk camp!
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Awesome! Thanks so much! When you shared that Thundersteel album I remembered I did hear that years ago once and remember thinking it was pretty cool. I’ll give that another listen asap.
When I was a wee lad of 12 and was trying to explore metal, well it was 2001 so Iced Earth was all the rage in some metal mags I read. I think I bought Something Wicked This Way Comes and as of 2001-2002 I thought that was pretty good. So now I’m remembering stuff that I liked. Turns out it’s not a barren wasteland of a genre in terms of my enjoyment.
Gonna get to some of those recommendations. Again, thanks.
If you ever need more modern (a lot of my favorites lie there) reccs in the genre I have that, too. Knowing you prefer dual guitar riff-heavy styles of power metal I'd probably focus on that rather than overly symphonic variants. Power Metal is pretty diverse, believe it or not.
It's really about WHERE you want to start. If you already like Maiden, Priest, Manowar; then you already have a good foundation for what you SHOULD like in power metal.
I'd Replace Metallica in the Speed Metal Section because Speed Metal was pretty much growing Organically far before Metallica released their First Full Length.
In Germany You had Accept finally shedding their more Poppier Scorpion Influenced sound to essentially release one of the Most Metallic albums of Early 80's (Restless and Wild.)
This was in 82 mind you.
If I was going to say Speed Metal and It's influence...well...They're a bunch of Bands to Consider.
Accept, Fuggin Motorhead (Who didn't wanna be them.), Hell Even Priest with 1978's Exciter, can all said to codify the genre and build that foundations.
Speed Metal doesn't have the ONE or two creators who influenced it all (Like Bathory with Black Metal.)
Re power metal, I'm not a huge fan of the genre, but most of the stuff I like is US power metal (as opposed to the more melodic and often cheesy European counterpart), which borrows from speed and thrash. Much more to my taste than the more proggy or symphonic bands. That's not to say you should ignore Gowi's great recs ofc. But if you're interested in something like that, give these a go:
Imaginations From the Other Side is the alpha and omega of power metal to me, a great starting point as well. It's a perfect mix of US and European styles, heavier and faster than most power metal while being one of the catchiest metal albums overall. _________________ Overall chart Fake overall chart
somewhere along the line I must have accidentally sent an update email to junk or said not to track this thread, because I am only now seeing all these dope recommendations and comments!
Gowi wrote:
Mercury wrote:
Awesome! Thanks so much! When you shared that Thundersteel album I remembered I did hear that years ago once and remember thinking it was pretty cool. I’ll give that another listen asap.
When I was a wee lad of 12 and was trying to explore metal, well it was 2001 so Iced Earth was all the rage in some metal mags I read. I think I bought Something Wicked This Way Comes and as of 2001-2002 I thought that was pretty good. So now I’m remembering stuff that I liked. Turns out it’s not a barren wasteland of a genre in terms of my enjoyment.
Gonna get to some of those recommendations. Again, thanks.
If you ever need more modern (a lot of my favorites lie there) reccs in the genre I have that, too. Knowing you prefer dual guitar riff-heavy styles of power metal I'd probably focus on that rather than overly symphonic variants. Power Metal is pretty diverse, believe it or not.
Awesome. Yeah, I think as of now I am most drawn to the dual guitar riffage and stuff that kind of reminds me of Maiden or even Thrashy stuff. I listened to part of that ThunderSteel and it kicks ass. I'll be combing your charts and maybe PMing you later on. And yes I listened to Imaginations from the Other Side a week ago and while I liked it generally, I REALLY liked the hardcore riff work on the heavier portions thereof. Liked the symphonic and more emotive and quieter bits well enough... but I was waiting for the big hard rocking fast parts to come in.
Repo wrote:
I blame Mercury!!! lol. He got us off track with Black Flag! lol.
But, yeah. When I make MY lists, I split this kind of stuff into two branches => Metal & Punk. And you're totally right. Melvins, Black Flag and Discharge are all in the Punk camp!
Guilty as charged! LOL. I really wanted to highlight the absurd influence of My War on so much of the metal and punky metal I adore in Sludge and other more punk-aligned metal genres and styles of the last half of the 80s into the 90s and even onward. Such a beast of an album. And, weirdly and shamefully, I don't really even like My War that much. It just had a massive influence on so much stuff I DO like.
Repo wrote:
Gowi wrote:
It's really about WHERE you want to start. If you already like Maiden, Priest, Manowar; then you already have a good foundation for what you SHOULD like in power metal.
Okay. I will check that one out soon-ish. Can I be honest and say I have:
1. Judged that book by its cover and always thought the album covers and aesthetic of the band was silly and that is why I avoided anything to do with them and ...
2. That I for some reason always associated them or outright got confused and that Manowar were GWAR. Weird I know. But if anyone ever mentioned Manowar (mostly you, Repo) I instantly got pictures of GWAR. And who knows maybe Gwar are great and respected but I always saw them as ridiculous and so avoided them (as well as, by association, Manowar.) Thanks for helping clear that up.
Gowi wrote:
Early Fates Warning was also a principal influence for power metal's foundation as seen here:
Not a far cry from Helstar, Helloween, Virgin Steele, Agent Steel, Running Wild, Riot, etc.
another cool one to add to my spreadsheet (yes, I went ahead and made a spreadsheet lol).
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Re power metal, I'm not a huge fan of the genre, but most of the stuff I like is US power metal (as opposed to the more melodic and often cheesy European counterpart), which borrows from speed and thrash. Much more to my taste than the more proggy or symphonic bands. That's not to say you should ignore Gowi's great recs ofc. But if you're interested in something like that, give these a go:
Imaginations From the Other Side is the alpha and omega of power metal to me, a great starting point as well. It's a perfect mix of US and European styles, heavier and faster than most power metal while being one of the catchiest metal albums overall.
Another awesome recs post. Manilla Road is a band that comes up a lot when I scroll Metal liosts on RYM or whatever. (I don't know why I added "or whatever" to that. I should just face it and say it is ONLY RYM lists that I have been scrolling for metal recs the last few years). And I have been intrigued. And I was meaning to try to see for myself what distinguished Power Metal and US Power Metal. I see those seperate descriptions and I also read the RYM genre descriptions and I plan on doing a deep dive to get a better concept. Much like when I was trying to truly HEAR the differences broadly between the Stockholm and Gothenburg Swedish death metal sounds. That was very illuminating and I am sure this with the different types of Power metal will be similarly so.
I both respect and groan when I see a band named after a villain in Lord of the Rings. That may be why I have a hard time getting over that superficial stuff and enjoying Cirith Ungol. lol (yes, Repo, as stupid and shallow as that is, I am thinking part and ONLY PART of why I didn't vibe with that Cirith Ungol rec months ago was the nerdy name. I am sorry.) _________________ -Ryan
I'd Replace Metallica in the Speed Metal Section because Speed Metal was pretty much growing Organically far before Metallica released their First Full Length.
In Germany You had Accept finally shedding their more Poppier Scorpion Influenced sound to essentially release one of the Most Metallic albums of Early 80's (Restless and Wild.)
This was in 82 mind you.
If I was going to say Speed Metal and It's influence...well...They're a bunch of Bands to Consider.
Accept, Fuggin Motorhead (Who didn't wanna be them.), Hell Even Priest with 1978's Exciter, can all said to codify the genre and build that foundations.
Speed Metal doesn't have the ONE or two creators who influenced it all (Like Bathory with Black Metal.)
and just to help get this back on track (I feel like I hijacked this glorious Repo thread... and I love how much yall have helped me with power metal) I wanted to quote this and say, this is a good point. Accept is a band that I remember hearing and specifically that album you mentioned (Restless and Wild) and thinking it was pretty kick ass years ago. Will revisit.
Your comment, Trexasle, about some benchmark and iconic bands that influenced the entire 1980s due to the 1970s output (Motorhead and Priest) raises another question: what of bands that were super ahead of their time and were still around the 1980s but who made music in previous decades that essentially cast a shadow on the decade that came after? Maybe this comes back to the same statement that Gowi made earlier about punk bands that were influential TO metal but weren't metal bands. Perhaps a band like Rainbow or Priest , etc, who made music in the 1970s that rippled out and informed the direction of the genre(s) in the next decade whould be included in another survey question like "what are the top 10 most influential bands on 1980s heavy metal?" Just a thought. _________________ -Ryan
Another band I think influenced Power Metal and alot of 80's Metal in Particular (Specifically the Neo Classical Scene.)
Was Alcatrazz
Or as I call it "Graham Bonnet's home of Wayward Guitar Virtuoso's"
Like Yngwie or not...To say he doesn't have influence is dead wrong especially in Power and Neo-Classical.
And Steve Vai...is Steve Vai, his influence especially in Neo Classical and songwriting is pretty big.
That's not even getting to the leading man Graham Bonnet himself. Whose Voice would influence Alot of Japanese Metal singers (Yukio Morikawa of Anthem is the strongest example.)
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