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albummaster
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- #41
- Posted: 10/15/2012 07:40
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| CalamityCat wrote: | I really like the idea of flagging an album as a compliation.
Could you implement a voting system of yes and no? Much like last.fm where the majority is the decider. |
This will happen once tags are introduced, but not for album attributes.
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- Posted: 10/15/2012 14:05
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Mr. Blue Sky: The Very Best Of Electric Light Orchestra by Electric Light Orchestra (2012) - it's "compilation" of 11 well known tracks (plus one unknown) but most of them are new versions, recorded again by Jeff Lynne. The versions almost the same but there are some nuances. And is it new album or compilation? IMO for the sight it is but if you think about it more and more it isn't clear.
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- #43
- Posted: 10/17/2012 06:40
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I agree, and that's why I wanted to try and draw up some guidelines so that everybody can tag consistently, otherwise people won't be able to trust the data. Under the above, I'd say Mr. Blue Sky is a compilation album because the own label states that it is, and most people would see it as such:
| Quote: | | "Use the 'Compilation' tag in the same way as other discographies, collectors, shops, and the general public use it; to indicate a 'Greatest Hits', 'Best Of', or otherwise themed gathering of tracks, usually taken from a variety of previously issued sources. |
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- Posted: 10/24/2012 10:55
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I'm not sure if enough time has elapsed to cover all cases, so this will stay fluid until things have settled down more, but over the past couple of weeks a few common categorisations are emerging to help create a definition for BEA's purposes:
An album *is* deemed a "compilation" if it is any of the following:
a 'twofer' album (combination of two or more albums packaged as a single unit)
a box set
a combination of tracks by 'various artists' (all of which are previously released)
a 'greatest hits' album
a 'retrospective' of a certain time period within an artist's career e.g. 1980-88
a 'mix' album, typically by a DJ, containing tracks by 'various artists'
An album is NOT deemed a compilation if it is any of the following:
a studio album containing mostly new material
a live album recorded over one or more concerts within the same tour
a remix album released as new material
(EDIT: amended to take into account feedback)
I think the above is reasonably clear, and hopefully in line with what has been discussed in the rest of the thread. The above can be refined further/debated as more cases come to light.
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- Posted: 10/24/2012 11:02
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| albummaster wrote: | An album is NOT deemed a compilation if it is any of the following:
a remix album containing original material recorded by a single artist |
Do you mean remixes of a single artist, or remixes by a single artist?
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- Posted: 10/24/2012 11:10
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I think an important note should be, that the tracks on an album/compilation were previously released. For example, I don't think it's a compilation (in the way that we use this word at least) if an album is a combo of tracks by Various Artists which weren't released prior to that, but were rather made for the album.
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- Posted: 10/24/2012 11:48
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| lethalnezzle wrote: | | Do you mean remixes of a single artist, or remixes by a single artist? |
Under the above, Casino Classics by Saint Etienne *is* a compilation because the album contains remixes of tracks by Saint Etienne which mostly already exist on other releases. However, Disco by Pet Shop Boys *isn't* a compilation because the same artist is releasing it as new material (excuse the out of date examples, they are just for debate).
I appreciate the definitions are not yet totally clear cut, so anybody is still welcome to contribute amends, and I take on board the comment about new material on compilation albums. If the content is entirely (or almost entirely) new, then I agree that shouldn't be classed as a compilation (for BEA).
EDIT: Important also to distinguish 'mix' albums (as opposed to remix), typically by a DJ, containing a list of tracks by various artists (which would be classed as a compilation).
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- Posted: 10/31/2012 18:01
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| 19loveless91 wrote: | | I think an important note should be, that the tracks on an album/compilation were previously released. For example, I don't think it's a compilation (in the way that we use this word at least) if an album is a combo of tracks by Various Artists which weren't released prior to that, but were rather made for the album. |
How about if it's kind of half and half? As in various artists and some of the tracks are previously released and some aren't. This happens quite a bit on sountrack albums for example.
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- Posted: 11/01/2012 06:05
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If an album contains more than two or three tracks of new material, then I don't think it should be flagged as a compilation, but I guess it also depends on how many tracks there are on the album, so maybe a % might be a better way of doing it e.g. if 80%+ of the tracks are previously released, it is a compilation, but it might not always be so clear-cut.
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