Album of the day (#2666): Black Celebration by Depeche Mode - Music

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Today's album of the day

Black Celebration by Depeche Mode (View album | Buy this album)

Year: 1986.
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Overall rank: 723
Average rating: 78/100 (from 308 votes).

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Tracks:
1. Black Celebration
2. Fly On The Windscreen - Final
3. A Question Of Lust
4. Sometimes
5. It Doesn't Matter Two
6. A Question Of Time
7. Stripped
8. Here Is The House
9. World Full Of Nothing
10. Dressed In Black
11. New Dress

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I have a question. Why is it that when an album has a different tracklist for UK and US releases, the UK release is considered the official tracklist? Is everyone Anglophile or anti-American? So yeah, when I saw this tracklist, I asked myself: where is 'But Not Tonight,' the great closing track to this great album? Oh, apparently it doesn't count because it was Track #12 on the US version, but wasn't on the UK version at all. I was not aware of this until just now. Well guess what Brits, if you've heard this album without 'But Not Tonight,' you're missing out on the full experience.
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StreetSpirit wrote:

I have a question. Why is it that when an album has a different tracklist for UK and US releases, the UK release is considered the official tracklist? Is everyone Anglophile or anti-American? So yeah, when I saw this tracklist, I asked myself: where is 'But Not Tonight,' the great closing track to this great album? Oh, apparently it doesn't count because it was Track #12 on the US version, but wasn't on the UK version at all. I was not aware of this until just now. Well guess what Brits, if you've heard this album without 'But Not Tonight,' you're missing out on the full experience.

amen. one of the best tracks on the album. i didn't even realize it was left off the UK edition. what's up with that???
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StreetSpirit wrote:

I have a question. Why is it that when an album has a different tracklist for UK and US releases, the UK release is considered the official tracklist? Is everyone Anglophile or anti-American? So yeah, when I saw this tracklist, I asked myself: where is 'But Not Tonight,' the great closing track to this great album? Oh, apparently it doesn't count because it was Track #12 on the US version, but wasn't on the UK version at all. I was not aware of this until just now. Well guess what Brits, if you've heard this album without 'But Not Tonight,' you're missing out on the full experience.

BEA only lists one version of each album (the original release). Therefore, if the US version had been released first, it would be listed instead. It's nothing to do with BEA preferring one country over another because that is simply not true.

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StreetSpirit wrote:

I have a question. Why is it that when an album has a different tracklist for UK and US releases, the UK release is considered the official tracklist? Is everyone Anglophile or anti-American? So yeah, when I saw this tracklist, I asked myself: where is 'But Not Tonight,' the great closing track to this great album? Oh, apparently it doesn't count because it was Track #12 on the US version, but wasn't on the UK version at all. I was not aware of this until just now. Well guess what Brits, if you've heard this album without 'But Not Tonight,' you're missing out on the full experience.

I didn't know about this song: indeed a much better album closer !
Now i suppose the official release is the UK one because it's a british band, and that "But not Tonight" is just an additional track, but definitely they should have chosen the US tracklist worldwide

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albummaster wrote:

BEA only lists one version of each album (the original release). Therefore, if the US version had been released first, it would be listed instead. It's nothing to do with BEA preferring one country over another because that is simply not true.

I cannot find any source proving the UK version came first. Can somebody? All I find is that it was released March 17, 1986. So if the US and UK versions came out the same day, then what?

Also, I cannot find any source that says what the band's creative intent was. Did Depeche Mode want Black Celebration to end on New Dress or But Not Tonight? I think that's what should matter.

Lastly, how hard would it be to list both track listings on BEA? Or list But Not Tonight as Track #12, but label it with an asterisk saying 'US release only'?

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StreetSpirit wrote:

I cannot find any source proving the UK version came first. Can somebody? All I find is that it was released March 17, 1986. So if the US and UK versions came out the same day, then what?

Also, I cannot find any source that says what the band's creative intent was. Did Depeche Mode want Black Celebration to end on New Dress or But Not Tonight? I think that's what should matter.

Lastly, how hard would it be to list both track listings on BEA? Or list But Not Tonight as Track #12, but label it with an asterisk saying 'US release only'?

This is not the only release on BEA where this issue arises, and the way of dealing with this properly would be to have multiple versions of each release listed on BEA, but unfortunately that's not something that BEA is set up for at the moment. BEA only lists the original version of each album as there needs to be a consistent way of doing things across the site. This makes the site a lot easier to understand and administer, and helps prevent edit wars on the individual admin pages (which are no good for anybody).

It's not as easy as appending a note saying US release only. You also have tracks (on other albums) which might *not* appear on certain versions of an album and to be consistent you'd have to annotate those as well. In addition, you also have French, German, UK, Japanese, Canadian, Brazilian, Spanish, Italian, Australian etc releases and the track lists would quickly become a mess if we annotated each track with the specific countries that it was released in.

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StreetSpirit wrote:

I cannot find any source proving the UK version came first. Can somebody? All I find is that it was released March 17, 1986. So if the US and UK versions came out the same day, then what?

Also, I cannot find any source that says what the band's creative intent was. Did Depeche Mode want Black Celebration to end on New Dress or But Not Tonight? I think that's what should matter.

Well, the 2007 reissue does not include But not Tonight.

But not Tonight was originaly the b-side of Stripped, chosen as the A-side in the US :
http://almostpredictablealmost1.blogspo...night.html

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The original version of AC/DCs Powerage included 'Cold Hearted Man'. That's not on the BEA listing!