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baystateoftheart wrote:
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This is my take.

I love R&B and hip hop music. It is a big part of my love of music, and anyone who has performed it well, past or present, has my total respect. It has been, in many ways, a big part of how my singing and my taste in music has evolved.

With that being said, I would never attempt to record an R&B or hip hop album. Because, as much as I love the music, it is not in my particular set of skills to perform it as well as it should be, or to do it justice.

That is all.


Have you listened to the album yet? If you set aside the genre category discourse, it's quite an interesting and quality work of music. The first run of physical copies is abridged though, so best to wait a bit if you're getting it on CD.


As are you, I am free to listen to an album in the way that I choose to. Because I am a writer and performer of music that is part of the country umbrella, I choose to listen to this music as country, which is how Beyonce herself has chosen to classify it. As an expression of Beyonce's being, and of her roots and culture, yes. It is quite interesting. As country music, as I said above, let's leave that to people who are good at performing country music. And, again, in fairness, I will leave the performing of R&B and hip hop to those who are better suited to do so. Like Beyonce.
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Romanelli wrote:
baystateoftheart wrote:
Romanelli wrote:
This is my take.

I love R&B and hip hop music. It is a big part of my love of music, and anyone who has performed it well, past or present, has my total respect. It has been, in many ways, a big part of how my singing and my taste in music has evolved.

With that being said, I would never attempt to record an R&B or hip hop album. Because, as much as I love the music, it is not in my particular set of skills to perform it as well as it should be, or to do it justice.

That is all.


Have you listened to the album yet? If you set aside the genre category discourse, it's quite an interesting and quality work of music. The first run of physical copies is abridged though, so best to wait a bit if you're getting it on CD.


As are you, I am free to listen to an album in the way that I choose to. Because I am a writer and performer of music that is part of the country umbrella, I choose to listen to this music as country, which is how Beyonce herself has chosen to classify it. As an expression of Beyonce's being, and of her roots and culture, yes. It is quite interesting. As country music, as I said above, let's leave that to people who are good at performing country music. And, again, in fairness, I will leave the performing of R&B and hip hop to those who are better suited to do so. Like Beyonce.


It would be nice if it had country-er production. There's a sad lack of pedal steel, for one. But even though this is being classified in Billboard, radio, et al. as country (everything needs to be put in some box in the music industry), it's not like she's been personally claiming this album is something it's not.

Beyoncé wrote:
This ain't a Country album. This is a "Beyoncé" album.


She's fundamentally a pop musician, whether she's making r&b-tinged pop, country-tinged pop, or house-tinged pop.
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baystateoftheart wrote:
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This is my take.

I love R&B and hip hop music. It is a big part of my love of music, and anyone who has performed it well, past or present, has my total respect. It has been, in many ways, a big part of how my singing and my taste in music has evolved.

With that being said, I would never attempt to record an R&B or hip hop album. Because, as much as I love the music, it is not in my particular set of skills to perform it as well as it should be, or to do it justice.

That is all.


Have you listened to the album yet? If you set aside the genre category discourse, it's quite an interesting and quality work of music. The first run of physical copies is abridged though, so best to wait a bit if you're getting it on CD.


As are you, I am free to listen to an album in the way that I choose to. Because I am a writer and performer of music that is part of the country umbrella, I choose to listen to this music as country, which is how Beyonce herself has chosen to classify it. As an expression of Beyonce's being, and of her roots and culture, yes. It is quite interesting. As country music, as I said above, let's leave that to people who are good at performing country music. And, again, in fairness, I will leave the performing of R&B and hip hop to those who are better suited to do so. Like Beyonce.


It would be nice if it had country-er production. There's a sad lack of pedal steel, for one. But even though this is being classified in Billboard, radio, et al. as country (everything needs to be put in some box in the music industry), it's not like she's been personally claiming this album is something it's not.

She's fundamentally a pop musician, whether she's making r&b-tinged pop, country-tinged pop, or house-tinged pop.


It's an R&B artist trying to make a country record and not fully succeeding. Call it what you want. She can call it what she wants. Country pop is not something I enjoy, and apparently, the same goes for R&B country pop. I can live with that.
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Getting spicy in here, and I am here for it!

I particularly enjoyed your take, Romanelli, although I liked the album at least a little more than you did. Razz Still fun to read!
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To me, country music hasn't been ruined. What the problem may be is the fact that country music may be harder to find now because of certain other music being given a country music label when it isn't country and with it being a country music label that this other music is being given, actual country music might now be labeled Americana music.

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To me, country music hasn't been ruined. What the problem may be is the fact that country music may be harder to find now because of certain other music being given a country music label when it isn't country and with it being a country music label that this other music is being given, actual country music might now be labeled Americana music.

Isn't that the definition of "ruined"? Think
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^^^ No and it's because as long as what is actual country music is still out there, it won't be ruined. We just have to learn to live with actual country music being given another label if it is given another one that is.

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Romanelli wrote:
baystateoftheart wrote:
Romanelli wrote:
baystateoft heart wrote:
Roma nelli wrote:
This is my take.

I love R&B and hip hop music. It is a big part of my love of music, and anyone who has performed it well, past or present, has my total respect. It has been, in many ways, a big part of how my singing and my taste in music has evolved.

With that being said, I would never attempt to record an R&B or hip hop album. Because, as much as I love the music, it is not in my particular set of skills to perform it as well as it should be, or to do it justice.

That is all.


Have you listened to the album yet? If you set aside the genre category discourse, it's quite an interesting and quality work of music. The first run of physical copies is abridged though, so best to wait a bit if you're getting it on CD.


As are you, I am free to listen to an album in the way that I choose to. Because I am a writer and performer of music that is part of the country umbrella, I choose to listen to this music as country, which is how Beyonce herself has chosen to classify it. As an expression of Beyonce's being, and of her roots and culture, yes. It is quite interesting. As country music, as I said above, let's leave that to people who are good at performing country music. And, again, in fairness, I will leave the performing of R&B and hip hop to those who are better suited to do so. Like Beyonce.


It would be nice if it had country-er production. There's a sad lack of pedal steel, for one. But even though this is being classified in Billboard, radio, et al. as country (everything needs to be put in some box in the music industry), it's not like she's been personally claiming this album is something it's not.

She's fundamentally a pop musician, whether she's making r&b-tinged pop, country-tinged pop, or house-tinged pop.


It's an R&B artist trying to make a country record and not fully succeeding. Call it what you want. She can call it what she wants. Country pop is not something I enjoy, and apparently, the same goes for R&B country pop. I can live with that.


Curious on your take with this album then?


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RoundTheBend wrote:
Romanelli wrote:
baystateoftheart wrote:
Romanell i wrote:
baystateoft heart wrote:
Roma nelli wrote:
This is my take.

I love R&B and hip hop music. It is a big part of my love of music, and anyone who has performed it well, past or present, has my total respect. It has been, in many ways, a big part of how my singing and my taste in music has evolved.

With that being said, I would never attempt to record an R&B or hip hop album. Because, as much as I love the music, it is not in my particular set of skills to perform it as well as it should be, or to do it justice.

That is all.


Have you listened to the album yet? If you set aside the genre category discourse, it's quite an interesting and quality work of music. The first run of physical copies is abridged though, so best to wait a bit if you're getting it on CD.


As are you, I am free to listen to an album in the way that I choose to. Because I am a writer and performer of music that is part of the country umbrella, I choose to listen to this music as country, which is how Beyonce herself has chosen to classify it. As an expression of Beyonce's being, and of her roots and culture, yes. It is quite interesting. As country music, as I said above, let's leave that to people who are good at performing country music. And, again, in fairness, I will leave the performing of R&B and hip hop to those who are better suited to do so. Like Beyonce.


It would be nice if it had country-er production. There's a sad lack of pedal steel, for one. But even though this is being classified in Billboard, radio, et al. as country (everything needs to be put in some box in the music industry), it's not like she's been personally claiming this album is something it's not.

She's fundamentally a pop musician, whether she's making r&b-tinged pop, country-tinged pop, or house-tinged pop.


It's an R&B artist trying to make a country record and not fully succeeding. Call it what you want. She can call it what she wants. Country pop is not something I enjoy, and apparently, the same goes for R&B country pop. I can live with that.


Curious on your take with this album then?


Modern Sounds In Country And Western Mu...ay Charles


Ray Charles had an understanding of country music like almost no one else ever. He mastered it immediately. He got it...you could tell by the songs he chose to cover (note that none of the songs on either album were written by Charles...he wasn't in it to rewrite the music, he was in it to interpret it), and by how easily and effortlessly his own style matched it with ease. He took songs by the most country of artists (Hank Williams, Eddy Arnold, Don Gibson) and made them just as good or even better. The two country albums he made in 1962 are simply amazing. Even better is the 1988 compilation, Greatest Country And Western Hits, which also includes a trio of Buck Owens songs done to perfection. One of the really great things about country music is that you don't have to be a country artist to make great country music (The Rolling Stones), or to write great country songs (Tom Petty, Bruce Springsteen). There have been MANY non country artists who have done it really well and really right. Ray Charles is at the very top of that list, mainly because he was able to do so without compromising his own style. But in order to make it work, you have to be okay with what country music is, and has always been.

The difference between Ray's take on country music and Beyonce's is a gazillion miles apart. Ray embraced the music for what it is and adapted himself just enough to make it work. Beyonce seems (to me) to have taken a square block of country music and tried to force it through a round hole. It's admirable that she tried, but it's nowhere in the same universe of what Ray Charles was able to effortlessly do with the music. It's okay. I still have 3 Beyonce albums that I love. I just don't think country is for her. It's not going to work for everyone. It really is okay.

But Ray most definitely got it right.
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