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benpaco
Who's gonna watch you die?
Age: 28
Location: Missouri 
- #21
- Posted: 11/30/2016 06:25
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Never even heard of Enneagram, that's interesting. Been INFP on every test I've taken since freshman year of high school but for one that mapped me at ESFJ which I'm 99% certain is wrong.
I'm apparently 9w1. Well, 9w8 isn't far behind, but definitely 9wsomething. That being said, based on " Nines also mistake themselves for Fours, but Nines tend to avoid negative emotions whereas Fours often exacerbate them. Intellectual Nines, especially males, frequently mistype as Fives, but Fives are intellectually contentious whereas Nines are conciliatory and conflict avoidant.", I'd feel I'm closer to a 4, certainly, and I enjoy debates in my science classes, so maybe I'm mistyped. No idea.
I think more than any test can tell you about yourself you probably already know, and I could tell you that I'm deeply emotional, overthink to the nth degree, have relatively low self-confidence, try to find the best in everyone, trust few but trust those who I trust deeply and fully, struggle to maintain relationships (romantic or platonic) for long periods mostly due to my own need/want for constant communication, and believe that the only purpose in life is to try to make those around you happier, with no winning or losing just death at the end. Type me as you wish, but a lot of the music I listen to, be it Bon Iver or Joy Division or Brand New or Fist Benders, weaves into at least some of what makes me me.
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- #22
- Posted: 11/30/2016 11:36
- Post subject: Re: Myers Briggs, Enneagram and Musical Taste
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| sethmadsen wrote: | | rkm wrote: |
I tend to like a lot of literate Singer/Songwriter stuff, Americana, mystical/spiritual, Jazz, some avant-garde, art rock/art pop, the work of individuals over bands, anything melancholy... |
Noting we have almost similar test results, yet I wouldn't write this explanation to my musical taste (not that I'm expecting us to be similar, but still playing along to similarities and differences when it comes to personality).
I will say I probably 80% agree with what you wrote... I like my fair share of solo artists, but I would NOT say I'm a huge Singer/Songwriter fan in the sense of James Taylor... but I do love Paul Simon, although I just see him as a good songwriter... not the typical singer/songwriter image I get with that phrase... I think more John Denver and less Paul Simon/Beck. Americana I mostly am down with, used to be into spiritual, I own zero jazz records, but appreciate a few, I'm not a fan of David Bowie, but I like some of his stuff... and don't like individuals over bands, but I do love anything melancholy.
I am not someone who follows lyrics a lot, but love ideas if that makes sense... so unless a lyric grabs me (good or bad), I almost ignore 80% of lyrics... they mean less to me. I am more critical of them though than people I know, but definitely less critical than most on this site. Having said that, I was a German Lit major at school... so again I chose that mostly for the ideas... I'm way more into German philosophy than I am in let's say Goethe's Erlkönig because it sounds like a horse riding in the night if you account for the meter. That kind of structuralism/formalism just isn't my cup of tea.
I think I do focus on how music makes me feel or if it makes me think.
John Lennon's Working Class Hero or Bob Dylan's With God On Our Side and Only A Pawn In Their Game are extremely powerful songs to me due to their ability to express very powerful ideas. The melody/chords/key, etc. almost would be fine if they didn't exist. The music is secondary to those ideas.
Then there's how I feel: U2 makes me feel good. Yes, yes... make fun of it. But honestly I'm in a better mood if I listen to U2. Radiohead, as much as I love all but Pablo Honey, can be really depressing (especially Hail to the Thief... that album, even though I love it, sucks all hope and warm feelings out of my soul and sometimes I like that, but usually don't).
For feeling... even though I like my "big bands", sometimes I get bored with them and want something new (hence this site). Feeling something fresh and exciting.
Then there's nostalgia. I mean it plays a small role, but when I listen to Motown, I'm immediately nostalgic to my childhood (I think the 80s had nostalgia to the 50s/60s... like the movie Stand By Me).
Anyway... Feeling and Idea is how I'd sum up my music... |
Thanks for that, Seth. I may only be down with 80% of what I described of my taste on any given day. My description wasn't all that definitive.
I've looked at your charts and there's a lot of common ground. Firstly, I love U2 and always have. I was thinking about this the other day: U2 versus Radiohead versus Coldplay. They all paint their emotional authenticity on a large canvas, but head down different roads with it. Coldplay largely stick to naval-gazing and exploring interpersonal issues, Radiohead drown in their despair and then resort to numbness, U2 transform the personal into the universal, and while they never deny the brokenness of the human condition, there is always hope illuminating everything. I like them all, and like to feel all of those things, but I need hope most. I also consider Bono to be a brilliant lyricist, and the soundscapes and feel U2 conjure totally do it for me. Feel and idea. I need both.
Conversely, Bob Dylan I have an appreciation for, but don't love. He's all idea. Most of the time the sound-world he creates doesn't do it for me. ("Girl from the North Country" does it for me though, because there's some uncharacteristic romanticism there).
Americana: I'm thinking of things like Emmylou Harris, Patty Griffin, Lucinda Williams, Ray LaMontagne, John Hiatt, Buddy and Julie Miller, Over the Rhine. I think a lot of the reason I like this sort of stuff is that it indulges my feelings of brokenness, difficult emotions, of being an outsider and not fitting in. Americana is full of sad stories.
When it comes to jazz, there are two distinct qualities that I particularly like: one is a feeling of melancholy and/or solitude (think Miles Davis), and the other is a transformative experiential thing (think Coltrane's "A Love Supreme") which I count as spiritual music (not dissimilar to "Where The Streets Have No Name") where if I allow myself to get caught up in the trance of it, I can escape my self-consciousness for a while and become part of a larger thing. This is all feel, and no literal idea.
Art rock/pop: Talking Heads "Remain in Light", St Vincent... Avant Garde Jazz... I think this stuff is for when I'm sick of feeling, and want to tickle my brain with clever and absurd lyrical and musical ideas.
Singer/songwriters... Joni Mitchell and her ilk for the confessional emotionally authentic thing, and just for the poetry of it. Songwriters like Neil Finn for the colourful ambiguity of their lyric writing that invites you to layer your own meaning onto the songs, and for his melodies.
I'm babbling now. Re Beck, I love "Sea Change" and "Morning Phase" and would consider them singer/songwriter type things. His mood is so precise on those albums. On other albums, he walks a line between the absurd kind of thing I sometimes like and a smart-ass thing that I never like.
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- #23
- Posted: 11/30/2016 21:15
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Incidentally, I'm wondering if you might like this version of "With God On Our Side" by Buddy Miller, Seth.
https://youtu.be/RcJiFvLVw_M
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RoundTheBend
I miss the comfort in being sad
Location: Ground Control
- #24
- Posted: 12/01/2016 03:41
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| rkm wrote: | Incidentally, I'm wondering if you might like this version of "With God On Our Side" by Buddy Miller, Seth.
https://youtu.be/RcJiFvLVw_M |
First impression... good lord is that tempo slow.
As it went on, it obviously is musically much more superior than Bob, but somehow the tempo messes with the message - not as clever of a deliverance somehow.
Culturally significant as it was a cover around the Iraq War, so gets, I suppose, a bonus point for that.
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RoundTheBend
I miss the comfort in being sad
Location: Ground Control
- #25
- Posted: 12/01/2016 03:52
- Post subject: Re: Myers Briggs, Enneagram and Musical Taste
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| rkm wrote: |
Thanks for that, Seth. I may only be down with 80% of what I described of my taste on any given day. My description wasn't all that definitive. |
Haha, well said. Me too I suppose. And I realized it wasn't a certain thing, but stirring discussion.
| rkm wrote: |
I've looked at your charts and there's a lot of common ground. Firstly, I love U2 and always have. I was thinking about this the other day: U2 versus Radiohead versus Coldplay. They all paint their emotional authenticity on a large canvas, but head down different roads with it. Coldplay largely stick to naval-gazing and exploring interpersonal issues, Radiohead drown in their despair and then resort to numbness, U2 transform the personal into the universal, and while they never deny the brokenness of the human condition, there is always hope illuminating everything. I like them all, and like to feel all of those things, but I need hope most. I also consider Bono to be a brilliant lyricist, and the soundscapes and feel U2 conjure totally do it for me. Feel and idea. I need both.
Conversely, Bob Dylan I have an appreciation for, but don't love. He's all idea. Most of the time the sound-world he creates doesn't do it for me. ("Girl from the North Country" does it for me though, because there's some uncharacteristic romanticism there).
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Well said on U2, Radiohead, Coldplay, and Bob Dylan. Bob musically has a few gems, but really my favorite album of his is The Times Are A Changin' because it really is what he does best - ideas. It musically is intriguing too... way better than Jeffery Lewis musically.
Also I'm realizing Americana probably is such a broad genre I'm glad you clarified. I think Grateful Dead, Johnny Cash, etc... Woody Guthrie... and heck even Bob Dylan has some stuff that is not just folk/country, whatever, but also sings about America/American problems, etc. Thanks for the list of Americana you suggested... I haven't even listened to any of that intently/with purpose. It was like in passing/barely remember half of them.
| rkm wrote: |
When it comes to jazz, there are two distinct qualities that I particularly like: one is a feeling of melancholy and/or solitude (think Miles Davis), and the other is a transformative experiential thing (think Coltrane's "A Love Supreme") which I count as spiritual music (not dissimilar to "Where The Streets Have No Name") where if I allow myself to get caught up in the trance of it, I can escape my self-consciousness for a while and become part of a larger thing. This is all feel, and no literal idea. |
I don't think I've gotten to that place of escaping my self-conscious with Jazz. I think I think too much and don't just enjoy it. I think about its structure and all and can't just let it do me in. Something maybe I need to listen more of. Some music is better absorbed through subconscious and maybe I just need to put Jazz in the background while listening to it to start that subconscious enjoyment.
As for Beck... I think everything after from Odelay onwards album-wise is absolute genius/fantastic. Before then, good songs, ok albums.
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