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Poll: How do you see compilations/best of albums? |
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Compilations, for some artists, are the best way to go |
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72% |
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Compilations are for the musically inept |
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27% |
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Total Votes : 29 |
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RoundTheBend
I miss the comfort in being sad
Location: Ground Control 
- #1
- Posted: 01/29/2016 02:26
- Post subject: Compilation vs Studio Album
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I've noticed on this site there's a bit of elitism against compilation albums/best of albums. For me some artists just aren't that great at album making. Sometimes I truly enjoy listening to the best of albums because I get, in a way, the best album they ever created. I am listening to Elvis by Elvis Presley (1956) and then remember when Elv1s: 30 #1 Hits by Elvis Presley (2002)... that's an amazing collection of "hits"... from a time when singles really were where it was at. It obviously is a better collection of songs than Elvis by Elvis Presley (1956), yet the compilation album isn't ranked as high.
I've seen some "create" your own album kinda thing going on too... I feel that's almost a best of thing as well. So for example combining Siamese Dream with Adore to make an equivalent of Melloncollie & the Infinite Sadness. Somehow this is more creative, so more acceptable, whereas maybe the "hits" records are seen as "selling out" or something?
Also some artists are hit makers and not album makers... so obviously I'd rather listen to their hits and not albums. Honestly I feel this way about Queen. Love seeing them live and love their hits, but I don't enjoy listening to their albums... please give me their best of.
I get that you want to give their "deep cuts" a chance, but honestly, not all artists' "deep cuts" are worth my time.
Anyway, what do you think is an artist not as good if they only write hits? Are compilations for the musically inept, or do they have their respectful place in music?
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Applerill
Autistic Princess <3
Gender: Female
Age: 31
Location: Chicago 
- #2
- Posted: 01/29/2016 02:33
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I LOVE COMPILATIONS
(See what I did there?)
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Mercury
Turn your back on the pay-you-back last call
Gender: Male
Location: St. Louis 
- #3
- Posted: 01/29/2016 02:50
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One of my charts is 90% compilations due to the fact that the songs by almost all of those artists weren't actually released in album form at the time they made them. But still those individual cuts is all we have. Some artists released "singles" and that's it and maybe retired or died young and left us with enough songs to fit on a couple CDs - such is the case with Robert Johnson, Blind Willie Johnson, or it kinda sorta applies even to Minor Threat. I don't think anyone can deny the legitimacy of a comp of that ilk. But as for straight up "Best ofs..." Or "Greatest Hits type compilations, I almost never regard them highly. Unless, like you said, they're obviously more singles oriented artists and from a singles dominated era. I'll chart "Portrait of A Legend" over almost any Sam Cooke LP, for example. Even some of my all time faves have brilliant career-spanning retrospectives that I value more than their LPs. It may be somewhat blasphemous to say but I feel Townes Van Zandt is that way with me. My favorite "album" of his is the 2 disc documentary soundtrack "Be Here to Love Me".
So, I'd say it's lame to put a 15 track "best of..." for a major artist on your chart. Or, rather, that may be my knee jerk reaction to think it's lame. But in some cases I am the same way so I can think with it.
And yes I suppose there are artists which were great " singles artists" or bands but that's pretty much totally subjective. I may say that is true of New Order, but then someone would legitamity say "Fuck that noise, 'Technique', and 'Power, Corruption and Lies' are great all around albums!". And they would be totally right - from their perspective. _________________ -Ryan
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baystateoftheart
Neil Young as a butternut squash
Age: 30
Location: Massachusetts 
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- #5
- Posted: 01/29/2016 03:25
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Compilations are an indispensable source for so, so many time periods and genres of music that to completely write them off is to completely write off the vast, vast majority of musical styles. From pre-LP recordings to traditional folk recordings to archival releases for artists whose music has been passed around as live bootlegs for ages to simple compilations of material formerly issued as singles either due to the genre (common in a lot of dance music) or lack of commercial interest/funding for a full LP, there are so so many things that compilations can connect you to.
Snobbery about the "flow" or "coherence" of the LP format has always baffled me, as advocates of this position tend to uphold classic rock as an if not THE cultural touchstone and reference for the value of the LP. Have these people listened to virtually every Beatles record? Half their classic albums, hell, even their supposed concept album Sgt. Pepper, are horribly sequenced and don't fit together quite right by modern standards.
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RoundTheBend
I miss the comfort in being sad
Location: Ground Control 
- #6
- Posted: 01/29/2016 03:36
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Satie wrote: | Snobbery about the "flow" or "coherence" of the LP format has always baffled me, as advocates of this position tend to uphold classic rock as an if not THE cultural touchstone and reference for the value of the LP. Have these people listened to virtually every Beatles record? Half their classic albums, hell, even their supposed concept album Sgt. Pepper, are horribly sequenced and don't fit together quite right by modern standards. |
I really appreciate the flow of an album and I think it equally comes from a symphony as it does from a Beatles album.
http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/madduci/2A/form.pdf
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RoundTheBend
I miss the comfort in being sad
Location: Ground Control 
- #7
- Posted: 01/29/2016 03:39
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Thanks! I'll have to check these out! I'm having a hard time finding:
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Sam Cooke by Sam Cooke
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- #8
- Posted: 01/29/2016 03:40
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sethmadsen wrote: | I really appreciate the flow of an album and I think it equally comes from a symphony as it does from a Beatles album. |
I see literally 0 connection between symphonies and Beatles albums besides that people who don't listen to many of the former really like to insist that the latter are identical to them. Show me a Beatles album with the qualities you listed there in that link. What Beatles album has a theme or suite of themes that it returns to continually and resolves at the end? No, writing a hokey reprise of the first track on your album to give a sense of thematic unity to people who have completely spaced out for half an hour does not count as holding and developing a theme.
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- #9
- Posted: 01/29/2016 03:42
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Satie wrote: | Compilations are an indispensable source for so, so many time periods and genres of music that to completely write them off is to completely write off the vast, vast majority of musical styles. From pre-LP recordings to traditional folk recordings to archival releases for artists whose music has been passed around as live bootlegs for ages to simple compilations of material formerly issued as singles either due to the genre (common in a lot of dance music) or lack of commercial interest/funding for a full LP, there are so so many things that compilations can connect you to.
Snobbery about the "flow" or "coherence" of the LP format has always baffled me, as advocates of this position tend to uphold classic rock as an if not THE cultural touchstone and reference for the value of the LP. Have these people listened to virtually every Beatles record? Half their classic albums, hell, even their supposed concept album Sgt. Pepper, are horribly sequenced and don't fit together quite right by modern standards. |
I basically agree with all of this, though I just want to clarify, your criticisms of the idea of flow/coherence wrt the LP format are directed at the idea that the flow of an LP is somehow superior to that of a compilation and not a dismissal of the general idea that the way in which songs are curated/arranged can have a significant impact on one's listening experience yes?
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- #10
- Posted: 01/29/2016 03:45
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dividesbyzero wrote: | I just want to clarify, your criticisms of the idea of flow/coherence wrt the LP format are directed at the idea that the flow of an LP is somehow superior to that of a compilation and not a dismissal of the general idea that the way in which songs are curated/arranged can have a significant impact on one's listening experience yes? |
Yes, of course. And make no mistake - many LPs are better than compilations as listening experiences for that reason, but it's not a simple matter of "being an LP" being better than "being a compilation." I think far fewer LPs are artfully curated/arranged than people seem to think.
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