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RockyRaccoon
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meccalecca wrote:

Rocky, That's definitely a problem I've heard quite a bit. Networks need to show greater responsibility in those regards. I think it happens a lot with sports because of the high testosterone viewership they tend to market to.

I'd agree. And I mean, it's not typically drastically terrible stuff, it's just stuff where I'm like "I'd really rather him not have seen that". Previews for action movies are a good example, tons of shooting and explosions and stuff, and while that's not really that bad, it's still something I'd rather my 4-year-old not seeing.
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samistake2ice
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CubaZed wrote:

I'd say something but I honestly think I can't elucidate my opinions any better than Mecca already has for me. Definitely a really interesting topic though.

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also, everyone knows that the "Tipper Gore Censorship Initiative" actually benefited the music industry by making albums with a parental advisory sticker more coveted by those mischievous youths.
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CA Dreamin

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We've all heard the story of the radio station in the '70s playing George Carlin's 'The Seven Words You Can't Say on Television' at 2 in the afternoon when a father and child were listening. The father wasn't too pleased, and he sued the station. This led to a court case, which then led to the establishment of the 'Safe Harbor Hours,' between 10pm and 6am. During these hours, TV and radio can play porn, or programs and songs with explicit language. I have no problem with this.

As for censorship by music labels, labels have the right to refuse to sell artists' albums. But album art or explicit lyrics should not be a reason. And if a company finds album art offensive, there's the option of releasing two album covers, and let the buyers choose. 'Electric Ladyland' and 'Is This It' are two albums I can immediately think of that have two covers, one erotic and one not.

But something that hasn't been mentioned yet, is that what some people find appropriate others do not. In this backward society I live in (the USA), we censor the hell of out the news, bad language, and sexual content; but we glorify fictional violence. Now that I find offensive, but many people are okay with it.

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benpaco
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Decurso wrote:

I am opposed to any and all forms of censorship....BUT...a company determining what standards they want to be associated with is NOT censorship. IMO censorship is the limiting or restricting of access to materials. Just because one company decides not to release a certain album or song because it doesn't conform to their moral standard does not mean another company can't release the same material. This becomes a bit more problematic when you take into account that most artists are locked into exclusive contracts with one company. I think that as long as the company's standards are clearly defined and consistent, it should not be an issue.

For the most part, I agree with this, it's just a little tough when it's more than a choice. For example, how many hip-hop stations would honestly choose to use only clean versions all day if they could choose? It's one thing to me if a company doesn't want something and you're their employee, it's a bit more blurred when you make laws about the showing of art. It's a tough line for me to draw. On the one hand I wanna say that radio play shouldn't matter to an artist, but on the other, that's how a LOT of artists get discovered.
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LevonTostig

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In this backward society I live in (the USA), we censor the hell of out the news, bad language, and sexual content; but we glorify fictional violence. Now that I find offensive, but people in the Bible Belt are okay with it.

I think many Christians would contend that we ought not glorify violence whether it's fictional or not, blanket statements about "people in the Bible-belt" do nothing to advance useful discussion.

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LevonTostig wrote:

I think many Christians would contend that we ought not glorify violence whether it's fictional or not, blanket statements about "people in the Bible-belt" do nothing to advance useful discussion.

Can I ask what both of you mean by "glorifying" violence? Like is that GTA V, is that Kill Bill, is that the WWE, is that media coverage of school shootings? All of the above?

EDIT: To massively clarify, one of you specified fiction, one said about either. I'm not saying that school shootings are fictional. I'm not a Columbine/Sandy Hook disbeliever and those people piss me off about as much as the holocaust deniers.
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LevonTostig

benpaco wrote:

Can I ask what both of you mean by "glorifying" violence? Like is that GTA V...

I think GTA is a good example. A game that utilized senseless violence for entertainment seems at least morally dubious to me...I know that's not the "cool" view, but I do think it's unethical.

Anyways, as far as censorship goes, I don't think the Government needs to play any role in censoring art (including video games) until that art poses a direct threat to those who either willingly or unwillingly consume it. GTA poses a relatively small if not nonexistent threat, so it shouldn't be censored...2 Live Crew, on the other hand...

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LevonTostig wrote:

I think GTA is a good example. A game that utilized senseless violence for entertainment seems at least morally dubious to me...I know that's not the "cool" view, but I do think it's unethical.

Anyways, as far as censorship goes, I don't think the Government needs to play any role in censoring art (including video games) until that art poses a direct threat to those who either willingly or unwillingly consume it. GTA poses a relatively small if not nonexistent threat, so it shouldn't be censored...2 Live Crew, on the other hand...

Eh, to each their own, but it's a game I have no problems with whatsoever, there are only a handful I'd call morally questionable and even then I'd think of them as art, still. The violence that the game presents is not "senseless" as you've presented it, much of the violence the game MAKES you do plot wise makes sense, you're killing bad people or you have to for well set out reasons. Past that, it's up to you as a person. Not gonna argue that too much, though, as you've presented it as a "small if not nonexistent threat" so really, no problem there, even if you do think it's unethical, that's just two different schools of thought which don't necessarily have to clash.

I'd like to hear your opinion on how 2 Live Crew is a major threat, though. Maybe overly sexual, but do you think it leads to rape or porn addiction or prostitution or what exactly?
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Norman Bates

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So the question is: what, if anything, should be censored in music?

Nothing.

Should a company refuse to sell an artist's album because, for example, the album art is offensive?

No. If anything, they should sell it in that case, as it's bound to make a little money just out of the outrage. It's a businessman's world out there.

Should the music on the radio be censored?

No.

And if so, where is the line between appropriate and inappropriate?

"Always let your conscience be your guide, son". Considering your "conscience" is for a large part influenced by what is socially deemed "appropriate" or "inappropriate", you'll sort it out somehow.