Not saying indie bands should be done exclusively, but it's not as if every group already done has been an indie group. In fact, very few have been done (about 20% when being lax with the numbers which is actually extremely odd considering the people on this forum).
Yeah... if Aphex Twin didn't get nearly enough rankings for a good total, I'm not optimistic about a lot of these. I'd say go with what Mercury suggested or just make the picks yourself (based on the suggestions).
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Yeah... if Aphex Twin didn't get nearly enough rankings for a good total, I'm not optimistic about a lot of these. I'd say go with what Mercury suggested or just make the picks yourself (based on the suggestions).
To be fair a lot of the reason for lack of responses in that thread was a result of my own poor research and as direct consequence the thread sort of became a debate on what albums should be selected as opposed to actually engaged in ranking Not that there is anything wrong with it, but in hindsight it should have been a strictly Aphex Twin ranking instead of a Richard D. James extravaganza to keep it more manageable.
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Not saying indie bands should be done exclusively, but it's not as if every group already done has been an indie group. In fact, very few have been done (about 20% when being lax with the numbers which is actually extremely odd considering the people on this forum).
Kind of have to agree with Happymeal here. There haven't been that many indie artists done over the course of this. A lot of typical canon mainly.
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Okay I was thinking it shouldn't just be totally random, Cuba. I took the time to go through and note the bands/Artists that were "seconded" 3 or more times. Also I noted which artists were seconded just once. Here it is:
To be honest I was debating whether I should make it more weighted based on nominations and you make a good point. Should probably go through what is the most requested first and circle back around to some of the others. Anyway here are the results:
For the songs though so few people voted. Kinda lame. But those that did vote did okay - but nothing outside their two most famous albums? Shame. _________________ -Ryan
Not saying indie bands should be done exclusively, but it's not as if every group already done has been an indie group. In fact, very few have been done (about 20% when being lax with the numbers which is actually extremely odd considering the people on this forum).
20%? It's more like 50. Admittedly I'm using a fairly loose definition, but Radiohead, The Smiths, REM, Arcade Fire, Wilco, Belle & Seb, Sonic Youth, The Flaming Lips, Jack White, Sufjan Stevens, Elliott Smith are all indie artists in my eyes. If we then add the classic rock / canon artists, only Kanye and Richard D. James actually deviate from the "white men with guitars" template. I understand that's the site's demographic, but it means we're pooling from a pretty narrow source, and I'm struggling to find the passion to discuss indie band after indie band (I don't dislike Wilco or Sonic Youth, but I don't think I voted on either, and the same would be true of a lot of other indie artists - not because I haven't heard enough of their stuff, but because the lack of varied discussion becomes boring quickly). Basically I'm saying that Wilco and, say, Low are too similar to go one after the other. I have no problem with whatever artists people want to do, but just splitting it up so that people whose main interest isn't indie rock would be more catered for here would be much appreciated. _________________ 2021 in full effect. Come drop me some recs. Y'all know what I like.
I have no problem with whatever artists people want to do, but just splitting it up so that people whose main interest isn't indie rock would be more catered for here would be much appreciated.
To that effect, here are some other artists/bands that I'd like to rank:
R&B/soul/Funk: Al Green, Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, Parliament, Funkadelic, Ray Charles (1957 - 1965)
Country: Johnny Cash, Merle Haggard, Willie Nelson
Metal: Deep Purple, Slayer, Metallica, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden,
Punk/Hardcore: Class of '77, Ramones, Talking Heads, Black Flag, Husker Du, 70s NYC punk (poll to select top 7 albums)
Other: Kate Bush, Krautrock (poll to select top 7 albums), The Best of 70s Yacht Rock (poll to select top 7 albums)
Electronica: Kraftwerk,
Classic Rock: The Kinks (60s & 70s), The Who,
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I understand that's the site's demographic, but it means we're pooling from a pretty narrow source, and I'm struggling to find the passion to discuss indie band after indie band (I don't dislike Wilco or Sonic Youth, but I don't think I voted on either, and the same would be true of a lot of other indie artists - not because I haven't heard enough of their stuff, but because the lack of varied discussion becomes boring quickly).
I think what stymies the conversation is that most people are not listening to the albums during the week. I think if we made it more of a listening club thing, like we all decide to listen to a select group of albums together, that would foster more conversation than whatever artist/band/genre we would choose. I just don't know how many people have time to actively participate since must people are pretty engaged in their own musical directions for any given week.
By way of an example, I think it would be really cool if we focused on what we consider the 7 most important krautrock records (decided by nominations & then a poll), then featured a different krautrock record each day to discuss (e.g Amon Duul's Yeti), and then at the end of the week, rank those 7 albums. Make it more like a book club in other words where the commitment is one album per day with a grand synopsis of those seven albums via ranking at the end of the week. This way each week we can tackle a different artist, band or subgenre. By the end of the year, we'd cover a lot of ground and have a pretty cool ranking of the essentials of each artist/subgenre. I may be a dreamer but I'm not the only one. LOL.
I think what stymies the conversation is that most people are not listening to the albums during the week. I think if we made it more of a listening club thing, like we all decide to listen to a select group of albums together, that would foster more conversation than whatever artist/band/genre we would choose.
I'm not opposed to this necessarily, but it's tough to squeeze in enough listens to properly rank the albums of an artist unless I'm already very familiar with them. It gets especially tough when you combine it with the listening demands of the album tournaments. I think we should continue to focus on artists that are relatively popular on the forums or have relatively small discographies.
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By way of an example, I think it would be really cool if we focused on what we consider the 7 most important krautrock records (decided by nominations & then a poll)
I really like the idea of extending this beyond discographies. However, the poll approach could be a bit cumbersome... when I did that for charts for UPotD, it was hard enough breaking ties between the top three, let alone the top 7. Maybe Cuba could start informal discussion threads or just pick the albums himself. At some level, I think we have to rely on his judgement, cause it's hard to make a lot of detailed decisions by committee.
BTW, if it's a change of pace we're looking for, why not break from the rhythm & blues tradition entirely...
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Low, ***Can***, Animal Collective, 80s Prince/Prince, Beach Boys, Cure, Kinks, Black Sabbath, Blur,
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20%? It's more like 50. Admittedly I'm using a fairly loose definition, but Radiohead, The Smiths, REM, Arcade Fire, Wilco, Belle & Seb, Sonic Youth, The Flaming Lips, Jack White, Sufjan Stevens, Elliott Smith are all indie artists in my eyes. If we then add the classic rock / canon artists, only Kanye and Richard D. James actually deviate from the "white men with guitars" template. I understand that's the site's demographic, but it means we're pooling from a pretty narrow source, and I'm struggling to find the passion to discuss indie band after indie band (I don't dislike Wilco or Sonic Youth, but I don't think I voted on either, and the same would be true of a lot of other indie artists - not because I haven't heard enough of their stuff, but because the lack of varied discussion becomes boring quickly). Basically I'm saying that Wilco and, say, Low are too similar to go one after the other. I have no problem with whatever artists people want to do, but just splitting it up so that people whose main interest isn't indie rock would be more catered for here would be much appreciated.
I disagree with what you classify as indie rock, but I comprehend the overall point (the whole white men with guitars which is a classification I always find odd as quite a few of these bands possess differences in style to the point where you can recognize each of these groups individually)
However, while I have a similar critique of the project thus far, I've been just ignoring the rounds I found boring to do anything with (which is a majority of them) so perhaps you, with the amount of passion you have for discussing music, might take issue with this project, but it's simply not necessary to participate in it for a person, such as myself, who doesn't possess as much intrigue in it.
Just to clarify, you're right in regards to your complaint about variety.
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