You could say that about almost any major genre. I suppose what I mean is I would equate American Pop Punk with most Brit Pop music. Brit Pop totally has the upper hand, but it is nearly the same quality of music, imo. Nu-Metal I'm sure had a great influence and blah blah blah, but that doesn't mean it wasn't mostly garbage compared to Grunge.
And again - I'll just use this site as my reference to why I'm saying this. Please find a Nu-Metal band in the top 10 artists. Please find a Brit-pop band in the top 10 on this site.
I rest my case.
Popularity is not correlation for objective truth. Try again.
I don't much care for most of Nu-Metal's bastardization of alternative metal either, but what you're implying is fucking inane gibberish.
The term Britpop didn’t exist until at least late 1994 if memory serves although I think it’s fair to say it started in 1993 with these 4 key releases....
Compilation which importantly contained Babies and Razzmatazz.
Late in 1993 early 1994 the tag ‘New Wave Of New Wave’ became a thing with bands releasing key singles such as SMASH (Lady Love Your C***), These Animal Men (Speed King), Action Painting (Mustard Gas) And Elastica’s brilliant Stutter single. Elastica looked and sounded so great and it all felt Underground and exciting!!
The summer of 1994 is when Britpop exploded into the mainstream after releases by Blur (Parklife),Pulp (His N Hers) and of course Oasis with their debut album.
1995 was probably the pinnacle of it’s popularity with debut albums all arriving from Elastica, Gene, Supergrass, Sleeper, Echobelly and Menswear. All these albums still felt Indie with New Wave leanings but by the time 1996 came around things were starting to feel a little bloated and self indulgent. Huge selling albums built for Stadiums started to appear...The Verve, Manic Street Preachers, Radiohead, Oasis’s follow up etc we’re all very popular and sold loads but you know it was all getting a bit hold your lighters in the air, still everyone was having far too good a time to even notice apart from the cool kids who were tuning in to Belle & Sebastian.
Grunge for me falls into two camps...The punk/Hardcore version (Nirvana, Mudhoney, Hole etc) which I really loved or the metal version (Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam etc) which I don’t like.
I’m voting Britpop (it’s a British thing) but I feel that Grunge has aged far better.
Jimmy DreadOld skool like Happy ShopperModeratorProfile 555 Dub Street
Well said. I remember the first time I heard "Middle Of The Road" on the Chart Show and I couldn't get enough of it. One of my most prized LPs, sitting proudly in my rarities box:
What is interesting is how (as well as those previously mentioned) some British bands jumped on the bandwagon and ended up losing all their credibility. The Boo Radleys were another example - Giant Steps is a fantastic album, one of Creation's finest efforts. Then they released the goddawful "Wake Up Boo" and ended up total shite.
Great shout on SFA too. Wouldn't class them as Britpop at all, but if Seth's looking for a good album from the period he won't go far wrong with Fuzzy Logic. _________________ 'Reggae' & t'ing Folk 'n Stuff SHAMELESS RECORD DEALER PLUG
I think some of you are labouring under the false impression that any British guitar-led 'indie' record released in the early-mid 90s is "Britpop", which of course is nonsense. Britpop had a defined 'start' and 'finish' which I had a stab at defining if you want to have a butcher's...
Abstained.
Damn that's one hell of a good definition 😄 In light of Jimmy Dread's definition, the albums I put in bold would be the more art-school ones that didn't really sell so well on the whole (I think Suede were pretty successful from the start though). They might not represent the sound of the Britpop explosion that was embraced in the Uk in 95/96 and they might be slightly music-snobbish in comparison to Oasis etc. But I think they do serve to give Britpop more of a distinctive identity beyond being poppy guitar anthems and they elevate Britpop above the criticisms of drabness and mediocrity that are often levelled at this era of music.
And again - I'll just use this site as my reference to why I'm saying this. Please find a Nu-Metal band in the top 10 artists. Please find a Brit-pop band in the top 10 on this site.
I rest my case.
There were/are some good Nu-Metal bands, as well as Britpop. I understand that you don't like them, and you don't have to, but you cannot deny the whole genre. And to be honest, BEA isn't 100% best reference, at least to me. I enjoy metal much more than average BEA user, same goes for experimental music. Music is too subjective, so I don't think top 10 on any site is a good argument. And yes, I like BEA as a site, it's helped me discover some fantastic albums. Still, it's nice to hear your opinion on this matter. _________________ Overall chart Fake overall chart
You could say that about almost any major genre. I suppose what I mean is I would equate American Pop Punk with most Brit Pop music. Brit Pop totally has the upper hand, but it is nearly the same quality of music, imo. Nu-Metal I'm sure had a great influence and blah blah blah, but that doesn't mean it wasn't mostly garbage compared to Grunge.
And again - I'll just use this site as my reference to why I'm saying this. Please find a Nu-Metal band in the top 10 artists. Please find a Brit-pop band in the top 10 on this site.
I rest my case.
Popularity is not correlation for objective truth. Try again.
I don't much care for most of Nu-Metal's bastardization of alternative metal either, but what you're implying is fucking inane gibberish.
hahaha... popularity and the ability for people to rate/rank music based on an aesthetic quality they think is best are two different things. Equating the two is false. Try again.
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Cheers, yeah I thought it mustn't have had that much impact states wise. OK the term "britpop". I am around the same age as you jim and I very much remember the time and the music clearly and agree with mot of what you said. I very much remember the 2nd Blur album coming out and falling for that big. I was even dressing in the docs and Fred perry with the rolled up strides and crew cut. This along with suede ( who I liked but felt a bit hyped by the media) was definitely the start of britpop. I remember the famous Select cover at the time proclaiming the start of the era. It wasn't until I saw oasis on the word (channel 4 Friday night yoof show, see YouTube for how fucking great the word was) that I was completely blown away and it felt like something was happening. However, in retrospect I don't really have much of a problem calling the stone roses debut and the las album britpop. Certainly the las is just as much britpop as it is madchester that it normally get lumped with. Obviously chronologically they can't be but I just see them as maybe the foundations of the genre and without records like these it wouldn't have happened. I never went to one britpop club at the time that never played theses two.
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