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- #1341
- Posted: 12/07/2023 07:04
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| DommeDamian wrote: | Welcome back AH. Thanks for the little Christian list, it'll do.
Not really any updates, but Touch of Evil has overtaken Citizen Kane as his favorite movie. |
Wait, what? Where did he make this change?
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- Posted: 12/07/2023 08:23
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| Facetious wrote: | | DommeDamian wrote: | Welcome back AH. Thanks for the little Christian list, it'll do.
Not really any updates, but Touch of Evil has overtaken Citizen Kane as his favorite movie. |
Wait, what? Where did he make this change? |
I think DD is just referring to the best US films list, though I suspect the order of those (among each rating point) is not meant to be exact. Looks like he (or maybe someone else did it for him) just threw them up there as long as they were in their respective ratings and called it a day. Besides, they’re both 9.0 so I don’t think he cares much which one is higher than the other. For instance his “unofficial” all time overall list has C Kane #1, Touch of Evil #3 below Repulsion at #2. But theyre all 9.0 and he probably doesn’t care that much which order they’re in. My gut tells me he would still say Kane by a hair if forced to choose but who knows…. Personally, I still don’t know how he could place Repulsion so close to Kane and Touch of Evil even though it’s amazing, so maybe my bias there enters into how I think their order should go in Scaruffi’s mind.
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- Posted: 12/07/2023 08:30
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| homelessking wrote: | | Apparently aside from cinema he's also been working on the classical ratings, that's what he said when someone emailed him |
That would be great if he drops a bunch of Classical ratings. Mine are a mess, with lots that need revisits/updating and it would help to have a “guide” for whenever I really get going on them again. I was hoping though (just for kicks and the fun of comparing) that I would get around to a lot more of them, and polish up a bunch of mine (plus lots of others not listed yet) before he rated Classical but if he is getting close that’s probably not going to happen.
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- Posted: 12/15/2023 06:53
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EXPLANATION: WHAT IS THIS LOG??? Go here: https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...094#571094
For my criteria page, go here: http://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/vi...hp?t=15503
To visit my Main lists, go here:
Greatest Classical Music Works: https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...hp?t=15098
Greatest Albums (Rock & Jazz): https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...hp?t=15276
Greatest Films: https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...hp?t=15558
Greatest Paintings: https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...hp?t=15560
Greatest Works of Art: https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...hp?t=16117
Various (in progress) genre lists, listed in order of how recently I've worked on them:
Greatest Literature: https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...617#691617
Best Comedy Films and Best Romantic and/or Sx Comedies: https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...446#684446
Best Teen and/or Coming of Age Films: https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...219#683219
Best Gangster and/or Hood Films: https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...513#682513
Best Action/Adventure and (Action/Adventure) Thriller Films: https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...108#674108
Best Editing/Structure in Film History: https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...443#667443
Best Visuals (Color) / Best Visuals (Black and White): https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...231#666231
Best Horror Films: https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...102#656102
Best Hip Hop/R & B/Soul/Funk Albums: https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...323#650323
Best Animated Films: https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...884#647884
Best Comic Book/Superhero Films: https://www.besteveralbums.com/phpBB2/v...189#646189
Bold = Newly added
Bold + Italics = Was already listed but recently upgraded/downgraded
Top 10+ Music, Movies, and Visual Art of the Week(s): 12-11-2023 - 12-31-2023
The Divine Comedy - Dante Alighieri (circa 1321) [Literature: Poetry] ...Rating below...
In the Aeroplane Over the Sea - Neutral Milk Hotel (1998)
The Doors - The Doors (1966)
Alhambra - Muhammad I Ibn al-Ahmar; later additions overseen by Yusuf I and Muhammad V - Granada, Spain (initial structure: 1250; several alterations thereafter through the 1600s) [Architecture]
Angkor Wat - Started by Suryavarman II; Completed by Jayavarman VII (circa 1122 - 1150; Note: there are various anomalies that may suggest an earlier date of construction -- perhaps even much earlier) [Architecture]
Golden Gate Bridge - Joseph Strauss - San Francisco, California (1937) [Architecture]
Guernica - Pablo Picasso (1937)
Piano Sonata No. 20 in A Major - Franz Schubert (1828)
Symphony No. 4 in E Minor - Johannes Brahms (1884)
Symphony No. 3 in E-flat Major "Eroica" - Ludwig van Beethoven (1804)
Symphony No. 41 in C Major - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (1788)
Good - Morphine (1992)
Symphony No. 6 in F Major "Pastoral" - Ludwig van Beethoven (1808)
Are You Experienced? - Jimi Hendrix (1967)Pieta - Michelangelo Buonarroti (1499) [Sculpture]
Piano Sonata No. 32 in C Minor - Ludwig van Beethoven (1822)
Piano Sonata No. 23 in F Minor "Appassionata" - Ludwig van Beethoven (1805)
Poor Things - Yorgos Lanthimos (2023)
Appetite for Destruction - Guns N' Roses (1987)
String Quartet No. 14 in D minor "Death and the Maiden" - Franz Schubert (1824)
The Entire City - Max Ernst (1936) [Zurich Version]
The Starry Night - Vincent van Gogh (1889)
The Scream - Edvard Munch (1893)
Purple Rain - Prince (1984)
Thriller - Michael Jackson (1982)
Funeral - Arcade Fire (2004)
Led Zeppelin I - Led Zeppelin (1969)
NEWLY WATCHED FILMS - RATED:
Poor Things - Yorgos Lanthimos (2023) 7.1-7.3? ... I will say "7.3" at the moment, but I am only 50/50 on that ... may be slightly lower. Visually it is among the most spectacular films of the decade, merging Gilliam (such as Baron Munchausen), Jeunet (such as City of Lost Children, Amelie), and Karel Zeman's Invention for Destruction, but in (mostly) color after its first act (perhaps Peter Greenaway should also be mentioned). As with Lanthimos' Lobster it is a very black comedy-satire with his often awkward, bizarre, at times gruesome, sense of humour. It is primarily about the liberation of its female lead (Stone, in a rather startling, unexpected performance), cognitively and otherwise and in a multitude of ways. The amazing visuals seem to immerse the viewer in or at least allude symbolically to this development -- though I'm not sure how successful they are psychologically they are always fascinating and wondrous and fantastical, wildly imaginitive. (the primary success of the film, emotionally, lies in its bizarre sense of humour and satirical modification of pathos, which is similar to that of the aforementioned directors above combined with the films of Peter Greenaway -- which also means there is a bit of a "distance" between the characters, their predicaments and us as the audience).
FAMILIAR PAINTINGS/VISUAL ART - RE-RATED:
The Divine Comedy - Dante Alighieri (circa 1321) [Literature: Poetry] Not Rated to 9.8-10/10 ... Exact rating still to be determined but, yes, it may be the greatest work of art of all time. It is the sort of work one could spend a lifetime assimilating and never cease to discover more, never cease to be in wonder about it, so it's (like the Sistine) kind of impossible to really "rate" securely. It is the only real threat I've felt to the Sistine since upgrading that above 9.8 years ago (except maybe Beethoven's 9th on some temporary occasions once or twice, but then The Sistine kept separating itself more and more from that thereafter so that threat to it was short lived and, despite how incredible the 9th is, doesn't seem applicable any longer). The biggest separation between The Divine Comedy and The Sistine right now is I just still have way more familiarity with Michelangelo as an artist and The Sistine as a whole than I do with Dante and the Divine Comedy so it just doesn't impact me the same (yet?). But thoughts have seriously crossed my mind that it might be even superior to The Sistine, which in itself, does or did not seem possible. These thoughts are more "logical" (in that it is the only work I'm aware of that might make sense to place above it) but I still get a bit greater sense of awe and emotional impact from The Sistine so I can't make that move unless that happens too at some point on an equal or greater level with Dante's masterwork. I wouldn't bet on it, but it's on the table (or at least doesn't seem "illogical"), and if it happens, I may need to adjust my scale a little bit or re-work some things. Whether it ever surpasses Michelangelo's Sistine, I'll keep returning to this incredible work for years to come. Truly unbelievable and in terms of profound, intellectual stimulation of a very artistic, moving and beautiful sort, it probably can't be beat by anything ever.
The Garden of Earthly Delights - Hieronymus Bosch (circa 1500) [Painting] 9.0/10 to 9.1/10
Alhambra - Muhammad I Ibn al-Ahmar; later additions overseen by Yusuf I and Muhammad V - Granada, Spain (initial structure: 1250; several alterations thereafter through the 1600s) [Architecture] Not Rated to 8.7/10 ... I changed this from 8.8 to 8.7 after initially placing it there -- just not ready to place it there quite yet. Still needs a bit more analysis, familiarity before I place it in the "masterpieces". Just below that seems a little more accurate at this time... though 8.8 or above could certainly be in the cards... Its enchanting serenity, poetry, beauty would be enough for a very good rating, but also notice how it is continuously expressing different eras and variations of architectural/design art in juxtaposition to each other, at all times, from any viewing angle or turn that one makes through its grounds (whether it be the exterior "castle" fortress structures in juxtaposition to its interiors, in juxtaposition to its fountains, and so on; the "gentle" and poetic dynamism of styles creates a whole dialogue between its environment and main structure, between its main structure and internal structures, between its internal structures and interior designs, etc...). Rating is tentative anyway -- all ratings for architecture are "tentative", except maybe the Golden Gate which I personally visited very recently (but most others I have not).
Golden Gate Bridge - Joseph Strauss - San Francisco, California (1937) [Architecture] Not Rated to 7.6/10
TOP 50 WORKS OF ART OF THE YEAR (2023)
Sistine Chapel: Ceiling and The Last Judgment - Michelangelo Buonarroti (1512; 1541)
The Divine Comedy - Dante Alighieri (circa 1321) [Literature: Poetry]
In the Aeroplane Over the Sea - Neutral Milk Hotel (1998)
Nostalghia - Andrei Tarkovsky (1983)
Werckmeister Harmonies - Bela Tarr (2000)
Stalker - Andrei Tarkovsky (1979)
Rock Bottom - Robert Wyatt (1974)
Angkor Wat - Started by Suryavarman II; Completed by Jayavarman VII (circa 1122 - 1150; Note: there are various anomalies that may suggest an earlier date of construction -- perhaps even much earlier) [Architecture]
The Garden of Earthly Delights - Hieronymus Bosch (circa 1490-1515)
Not Available - Residents (1974)
Zen Arcade - Husker Du (1984)
Persona - Ingmar Bergman (1966)
Down Colorful Hill - Red House Painters (1992)
David - Michelangelo Buonarroti (1504) [Sculpture]
The Doors - The Doors (1966)
Guernica - Pablo Picasso (1937)
Blow-Up - Michelangelo Antonioni (1966)
The Conversation - Francis Ford Coppola (1974)
Pieta - Michelangelo Buonarroti (1499) [Sculpture]
Alien - Ridley Scott (1979)
Alhambra - Muhammad I Ibn al-Ahmar; later additions overseen by Yusuf I and Muhammad V - Granada, Spain (initial structure: 1250; several alterations thereafter through the 1600s) [Architecture]
Golden Gate Bridge - Joseph Strauss - San Francisco, California (1937) [Architecture]
Double Nickels on the Dime - Minutemen (1984)
Pauline Chapel: The Conversion of Saul and The Crucifixion of St. Peter - Michelangelo Buonarroti (1545; 1550)
Astral Weeks - Van Morrison (1968)
Violin Concertos Nos. 1-4, "The Four Seasons" - Antonio Vivaldi (1723)
The Days of Wine & Roses - Dream Syndicate (1982)
Memento - Christopher Nolan (2000)
The Big Heat - Stan Ridgway (1986)
Death Wish 3 - Michael Winner (1985)
Good - Morphine (1992)
The River - Bruce Springsteen (1980)
Nashville - Robert Altman (1975)
Repeater - Fugazi (1990)
Fire of Love - Gun Club (1981)
Three Colors: Red - Krzysztof Kieslowski (1994)
The Big Heat - Fritz Lang (1953)
Medici Chapel: The Sagrestia Nuova - Michelangelo Buonarroti (1555) [Sculpture and Architecture]
The Band - The Band (1969)
The Game - David Fincher (1997)
Point Blank - John Boorman (1967)
Leon: The Professional - Luc Besson (1994)
The Rules of the Game - Jean Renoir (1939)
Yerself is Steam - Mercury Rev (1991)
Geek the Girl - Lisa Germano (1994)
Images and Words - Dream Theater (1992)
Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables - Dead Kennedy's (1980)
Spiderland - Slint (1991)
Laurentian Library - Michelangelo Buonarroti (Begun 1525, completed posthumously, 1571; Tribune of Elci rotunda added by Pasquale Poccianti in 1841) [Architecture]
Apollo and Daphne - Gian Lorenzo Bernini (1625) [Sculpture]
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- Posted: 12/15/2023 06:56
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Greatest Literature
Very Incomplete/Very much a work in progress
NOTE: ALL ratings/rankings are estimates, and certainly not final. While there is a decent chance most of them are not far off of what they should be, I am a ways from being able to rate/rank them in the proper context of many other greats/masterpieces of Literature like with rating/ranking, say, Rock or Film (with their respective histories and genres). My estimated ratings for these are (so far) much more based on a combination of my familiarity with them plus the qualitative context of my other ratings/rankings across other arts (but again, not nearly so much for Literature as the closer and more accurate point of comparison)
9.8/10 (Note: exact rating still under consideration, could still be higher: 9.9 or even 10/10)
The Divine Comedy - Dante Alighieri (circa 1321) [Poetry]
9.3/10
Hamlet - William Shakespeare (circa 1600) [Theater]
9.2/10
The Trial - Franz Kafka (1925) [Novel]
9.0/10
Ulysses - James Joyce (1922) [Novel]
Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes (1615) [Novel]
8.9/10
Paradise Lost - John Milton (1667) [Poetry]
8.8/10
Four Quartets - T.S. Eliot (1943) [Poetry]
Macbeth - William Shakespeare (1606) [Theater]
8.7/10
The Wasteland - T.S. Eliot (1922) [Poetry]
8.6/10
King Lear - William Shakespeare (1605) [Theater]
8.5/10
Crime and Punishment - Fyodor Dostoevsky (1866) [Novel]
8.4/10
War and Peace - Leo Tolstoy (1869) [Novel]
8.3/10
Moby Dick - Herman Melville (1851) [Novel]
8.2/10
8.1/10
The Brother's Karamazov - Fyodor Dostoevsky (1880) [Novel]
8.0/10
7.9/10
Slaughterhouse-Five - Kurt Vonnegut (1969) [Novel]
7.8/10
The Great Gatsby - F. Scott Fitzgerald (1925) [Novel]
7.7/10
Cat's Cradle - Kurt Vonnegut (1963) [Novel]
Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov (1955) [Novel]
7.6/10
1984 - George Orwell (1949) [Novel]
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn - Mark Twain (1884) [Novel]
7.5/10
Alice in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll (1865) [Novel]
7.4/10
The Stand - Stephen King (1978) [Novel]
Lord of the Rings - J.R.R Tolkien (1955) [Novel / The Fellowship of the Ring; The Two Towers; The Return of the King]
7.3/10
Lord of the Flies - William Golding (1954) [Novel]
2001: A Space Odyssey - Arthur C. Clarke (1968) [Novel]
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7.2/10
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - Roald Dahl (1964) [Novel]
The Witches - Roald Dahl (1983) [Novel]
Watership Down - Richard Adams (1972) [Novel]
7.1/10
Rendezvous with Rama - Arthur C. Clarke (1973) [Novel]
7.0/10
James and the Giant Peach - Roald Dahl (1961) [Novel]
Charlotte's Web - E.B. White (1952) [Novel]
Jurassic Park - Michael Crichton (1990) [Novel]
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer - Mark Twain (1876) [Novel]
6.9/10
The Lion The Witch and the Wardrobe - C.S. Lewis (1950) [Novel]
6.8/10
MAYBE...
Matilda - Roald Dahl (1988)
The BFG - Roald Dahl (1982)
The Twits - Roald Dahl (1980)
Danny the Champion of the World - Roald Dahl (1975)
The Lorax - Dr Seuss (1971)
Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak (1963)
A Wrinkle in Time - Madeleine L'Engle (1962)
The Phantom Tollbooth - Norton Juster and Jules Feiffer (1961)
The Cat in the Hat - Dr Seuss (1957)
The Little Prince - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry (1943)
The Hobbit - JRR Tolkien (1937)
Winnie-the-Pooh - AA Milne and EH Shepard (1926)
The Velveteen Rabbit - Margery Williams (1921)
Daddy-Long-Legs - Jean Webster (1912)
The Tale of Peter Rabbit - Beatrix Potter (1902)
Black Beauty - Anna Sewell (1877)
Probably Below 6.8/10
Brian Jacques "Redwall" books:
Redwall (1986)
Mossflower (1988)
Mattimeo (1989)
Mariel of Redwall (1991)
Salamandastron (1992)
Martin the Warrior (1993)
The Bellmaker (1994)
Various Beverly Cleary books
Hardy Boys mysteries
(And no ... Although I've never read them, I'm confident that the Twilight series, the Harry Potter series, and even the Fifty Shades of Grey books (gasp! masterpiece!) are not quite the greatest series of books ever written  )
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- Posted: 12/16/2023 04:26
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| AfterHours wrote: | Greatest Literature
9.3/10
Hamlet - William Shakespeare (circa 1600) [Theater]
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Would it ever be possible to rate Shakespeare as theatre instead of as literature? Are there single-camera recordings of plays to check out?
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| DelBocaVista wrote: | | AfterHours wrote: | Greatest Literature
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Hamlet - William Shakespeare (circa 1600) [Theater]
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Would it ever be possible to rate Shakespeare as theatre instead of as literature? Are there single-camera recordings of plays to check out? |
Good question. Years back I made some notes on best performances of Hamlet and maybe some others. I'll see if I still have those somewhere, but otherwise, it's something I should do newly anyway. I've also considered asking Scaruffi for his opinion on this. If you already have, let me know.
Btw, re: Divine Comedy ... I will definitely have something like this soon for Divine Comedy when I have a little more time to post it all here. Not filmed plays of course, but a series of links for it that will assist anyone in grasping it better (though, by most accounts, this is a life long pursuit no matter who you are!).
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Random aside. I've been spending a lot of time in San Francisco lately. Lots of deja vu and vibes for Hitchcock's Vertigo going on. It's been over a decade since I've been to SF -- am constantly reminded about the particular "vibe" the city holds and just how distinctly Hitch uses this to his advantage in the film.
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