Sad Songs For Dirty Lovers
by The National

Sad Songs For Dirty Lovers by The National
Year: 2003
Release date: 2003-09-02
Overall rank: 3,548th   Overall chart history
Average Rating: 
74/100 (from 228 votes)
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Accolades:
Award Top albums of 2003 (71st)
Award Top albums of of the 2000s (602nd)
Award Best albums of all time (3,548th)

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The National bestography

Sad Songs For Dirty Lovers is ranked 8th best out of 18 albums by The National on BestEverAlbums.com.

The best album by The National is High Violet which is ranked number 121 in the list of all-time albums with a total rank score of 10,332.

The National album bestography « Higher ranked (2,075th)
First Two Pages Of Frankenstein
This album (3,548th)
Sad Songs For Dirty Lovers
Lower ranked (3,629th) »
Laugh Track

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Overall rank: 3,548th | 2000s rank: 602nd | 2003 rank: 71st  Overall chart history
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From dihansse 02/17/2019 17:26 in My discoveries per year
“On the 2010 forum I expressed my renewed love for High Violet which has become my first album of the year and of The National full-stop. So I wanted to find out if that really was true and listened to all their albums again or for the first time (their first two and two EP's). I think The National…”
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“Today's album of the day Sad Songs For Dirty Lovers by The National ( | ) Year: 2003. Country: Overall rank: 3,452 Average rating: 75/100 (from 160 votes). Tracks: 1. Cardinal Song 2. Slipping Husband 3. 90-Mile Water Wall 4. It Never Happened 5. Murder Me Rachael 6. Thirsty 7. Available 8. Sugar…”
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90/100
For some it's Boxer. Others Alligator. And a few High Violet. For me, it's so Sad Songs.
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85/100
Strange that as the first album I bought by a band that have become my favourite I have never fully connected with this album. When I looked at the band's back catalogue after the release of Trouble Will Find Me I came up with a theory that their album's come in pairs but Sad Songs just doesn't seem to fit in. For me the downbeat acoustics of Cherry Tree sits better as the follow up to their country tinged debut. My feeling of Sad Songs is that it was the band trying to realise a vision of a denser more sophisticated sound than their eponymous album that was just beyond them at that point in their development. Cherry Tree then feels like a return to basics and Alligator/Boxer a much more natural progression to High Violet/TWFM where they achieved that complex sound they were after. All of this is not to say that Sad Songs gives me nothing, It's still full of Matt's poetry which can make me laugh and cry whilst still not really knowing what he's talking about. The songs all work fine on their own but seem somehow disparate without that feeling of togetherness that great albums have. I'm trying to condense a lot of thoughts into a nutshell here and really struggling, I could write a book on The National's albums (I'm not saying it would be a good book but it would be a book.) I'm listening to Sad Songs as I write this and I'm just noticing how conventional Bryan's drumming sounds in comparison to what has come since. In short I love this album because without it some of the best albums ever made wouldn't have been made but if they hadn't followed it up with Alligator I guess it would be sat unloved and brooding in the dark recesses of my ipod which I suspect it would perversely enjoy.
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75/100
Good album. Some really beautiful pieces here and there, definitely better than their debut album. Two songs that stand out for me were "Lucky you" and "90 mile water wall".
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Slipping Husband was awesome. This album is overall better than any other album of theirs I have listened to. Everyone is crazy about Boxer, and Boxer turned me away from these guys, and this album pulls me in... I guess it goes to show you it isn't an artists supposed magnum opus that one should listen to in order to know that band.
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75/100
As much as I love The National (they have a strong claim as my favorite band,) this is probably their weakest album, in my opinion. It's still quite good, and the band is still fleshing themselves out, but the outcome is less than their capabilities.
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