Duke (studio album) by Genesis
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The best album by Genesis is Selling England By The Pound which is ranked number 128 in the list of all-time albums with a total rank score of 13,422.
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This is an excellent album, much stronger than And Then There Were Three. Musically it comes across very powerfully, full on drums, attacking guitars, considered bass and great use of the electric piano.
Probably Genesis' best album of the three-piece era. Collins, Banks and Rutherford all jell really nicely together in this album that blurs the lines between prog and pop for much of its duration. Tracks like Cul-De-Sac and the closing instrumental Duke's Travels provide enough prog to keep old fans satisfied, while songs like Misunderstanding and Alone Tonight showed that the pop direction that Genesis was heading in could be pulled off with success. But the best of the best comes from tracks like Behind the Lines and Turn It On Again that mesh the two genres while also providing some stupidly powerful instrumentation. Throw in the fact that it features half a concept album hidden in there somewhere and you've got the true Genesis stamp of approval. Really nice work from the trio.
Genesis's best of the 80s. While it is a bit of a mixed bag, it still has its moments. The hidden suite (Behind the Lines, Duchess, Guide Vocal, Turn It On Again, Duke's Travels, Duke's End) is prime Genesis and the song Misunderstanding is actually a really great pop song. The rest doesn't do much for me though.
So on this one, Phil Collins left the band and was replaced by another improved Phil Collins with a stronger voice and new song writing skills. Artistically driven by the sad breakdown of his marriage, Collins is in the form of his life and came to the Duke sessions with a bank of songs ideas and full of creative energy.
The subsequent material written collaboratively here is particularly strong (Behind the Lines; Duchess; Turn It On Again; Dukes Travels; Duke's End) and Collins' contributions provide good support (Misunderstanding; Please Don't Ask).
Indeed, if it wasn't for the four weak contributions from Banks and Rutherford (clearly scraping the very bottom of their respective song writing barrels following solo efforts preceding this) - this album could of perhaps been THE definitive Genesis album. It seems difficult to understand why Banks & Rutherford would turn down the chance to use songs like "In the Air Tonight" and others in favour of uninspired offerings such as "Cul-De-Sac" and "Man of our Times"...…. was it ego - or perhaps unwillingness to give up financially valuable songwriting credits in favour of artistic quality?
Better still, they could of spent a few more weeks developing more songs collaboratively instead of including what they must have known was inferior material. Whatever the reason, it was certainly a BIG mistake and a missed opportunity in my opinion.
Nonetheless still a good album (but not quite great).
At Start i think Duke Was an average Record beacuse i was use to Fantastic albums like Foxtrot, Selling england by the pound and Lamb but after a few listens my perspective change, the music is so enjoyable and phil vocals are on point, this should be rank higher
Because we were used to Peter gabriel era (wich i think was the best) doesnt mean this is bad, progressive pop is awesome
More interesting than their previous effort. 7.7/10.
Oh Duke... What a mixed bag to my ears. I want to like it a lot more. I was so excited after the first couple tracks.
Their crossover sound often comes close to working, with something that doesn't seem right that I can't pinpoint. "Man of our times" as example - there's not a bad part on the song it just feels awkward in some intangible way. It doesn't know if it wants to be a power ballad or some sort of soaring guitar driven anthem. "Turn it on again" gets closer. It's even more pop-oriented and a terrific track just on the verge of being this piece of perfection - great guitar and beat, great tune, a success for them trying to do this sound.
After listening to the production and mixing on "A Trick of the Tail" I can't help but this this feels like a downgrade. The remastered version of many tracks ("turn it on again", "duchess" & "misunderstanding", final track) pushes it closer as the mixing was off in so many places on the 1980 version.
At it's best it sounds like a catchy Genesis and at worst (most of the central portion of the album excluding "turn it on again") it is on the verge of sounding like ballad after ballad of 80's pop drivel. Of course it's still a Genesis album, it is far from shitting the bed, and it does sound unique in their discography. It could be that Genesis have these definitive prog rock records that are cohesive and I'm a victim of hearing those earlier records. Duke doesn't seem to ever get solid footing in any particular direction. Not that the music quality wavers that much but I just can't tell what it's trying to be as it wanders around awkwardly from track to track. It seems like several EP's smashed together into a record.
They come out at the end and drop 2 of some of the the most interesting and inventive songs I have heard from them. The celtic video-game like "duke's travels" blossoms to a climax 6 minutes in and goes so many places pretty seamlessly.
With "A Trick of the Tail" , "Selling England" or Lamb / Foxtrot etc my first thought was "I can't wait to use the next 3 hours of my life to re-listen to it again and again and discover all the little secrets" I didn't get that feeling with this one. Repeat listens were rewarding but I'd probably end up skipping tracks were I to repeatedly revisit after this. Maybe the lyrics are a bit more honest and less cliche-prog-rock - I probably undervalue lyrics more than most. Maybe Phil has a step on Gabriel on lyrics? Prog Rock has cheezy lyrics I've learned to live with it. Unless it's rush-level pseudo-philosophical-in-your-face to where it actively bothers my listening experience I don't mind.
One of their best albums tbh.
I started listening to Phil Collins in 1984. My first real interest in music involved me going into his back catalogue and trying to pick and choose which Genesis albums to buy first, which lead to buying backwards from the Genesis (mama) album. Over the course of the next year or so, I eventually had most of their cassettes/vinyl, and then into Peter Gabriel. Yes, my first band I get hooked on, lead to different albums I loved at different times. Duke and Lamb were my go to albums most of the time. Although I rarely listen to all those albums anymore, I do remember playing them a ton.
I know for some, this is where Genesis took a turn to pop sell-outs, but I don't see that. I hear a band that has evolved, not better or worse, just different.
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